Stanley knife wielded on Cairns flight
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Stanley knife wielded on Cairns flight
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Stanley knife wielded on plane
By Amanda Hodge, Vanessa Walker and Sid Marris
June 11, 2003
A 68-YEAR-OLD man from Bondi was arrested yesterday after brandishing a Stanley knife on a Virgin Blue flight from Sydney to Cairns.
The man breached security at Sydney airport and boarded flight DJ 385 at 10.20am carrying a plastic-handled blade.
An hour out of Sydney he allegedly pulled out the knife and made cutting motions on a bulkhead.
It is believed an air marshal got the attention of the cabin manager, who approached the man and asked him for the knife.
British traveller Ed Shamwana, who was sitting in a front-row seat next to the man, said he was a German who had been living in Australia for 40 years and was now living at Bondi beach.
He was neatly dressed but appeared eccentric.
"He seemed like a very unique character," he said. "He was talking about lots of weird stuff, like how he was on his way to (the star) Sirius. The gist of what he was saying was that his time on Earth was a journey of understanding to try and become enlightened."
During the conversation the man became animated and rifled through his bag, withdrew the blade and waved it around "almost like you would take a pen and fiddle with it distractedly".
When approached by cabin crew and asked to hand it over, the man allegedly replied: "I was wondering if you were going to notice, I was just testing to see if you were observant."
The man gave up the knife and the flight continued to Cairns, arriving at 1.30pm.
Cutters similar to Stanley knives were used by the hijackers in the September 11 attacks in the US.
The incident raises questions about security at Sydney airport, where private firms have replaced Australian Protective Services officers in screening passengers.
It follows an incident a fortnight ago when two Qantas cabin crew were injured in a mid-air hijacking drama, and another last Thursday when a man was arrested for making threatening comments.
On landing at Cairns airport, the man was arrested and charged with possessing a dangerous item under the Crime (Aviation) Act. He will appear in Cairns Magistrates Court this morning.
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Stanley knife wielded on plane
By Amanda Hodge, Vanessa Walker and Sid Marris
June 11, 2003
A 68-YEAR-OLD man from Bondi was arrested yesterday after brandishing a Stanley knife on a Virgin Blue flight from Sydney to Cairns.
The man breached security at Sydney airport and boarded flight DJ 385 at 10.20am carrying a plastic-handled blade.
An hour out of Sydney he allegedly pulled out the knife and made cutting motions on a bulkhead.
It is believed an air marshal got the attention of the cabin manager, who approached the man and asked him for the knife.
British traveller Ed Shamwana, who was sitting in a front-row seat next to the man, said he was a German who had been living in Australia for 40 years and was now living at Bondi beach.
He was neatly dressed but appeared eccentric.
"He seemed like a very unique character," he said. "He was talking about lots of weird stuff, like how he was on his way to (the star) Sirius. The gist of what he was saying was that his time on Earth was a journey of understanding to try and become enlightened."
During the conversation the man became animated and rifled through his bag, withdrew the blade and waved it around "almost like you would take a pen and fiddle with it distractedly".
When approached by cabin crew and asked to hand it over, the man allegedly replied: "I was wondering if you were going to notice, I was just testing to see if you were observant."
The man gave up the knife and the flight continued to Cairns, arriving at 1.30pm.
Cutters similar to Stanley knives were used by the hijackers in the September 11 attacks in the US.
The incident raises questions about security at Sydney airport, where private firms have replaced Australian Protective Services officers in screening passengers.
It follows an incident a fortnight ago when two Qantas cabin crew were injured in a mid-air hijacking drama, and another last Thursday when a man was arrested for making threatening comments.
On landing at Cairns airport, the man was arrested and charged with possessing a dangerous item under the Crime (Aviation) Act. He will appear in Cairns Magistrates Court this morning.
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Posted: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:07 AEST
Man accused of flight offence removed from court
A man accused of brandishing a knife on a plane over Queensland yesterday has been forcibly removed from a Cairns court after becoming agitated.
Edmund Mack, 68, argued with the magistrate during proceedings in the Cairns court this morning.
He is alleged to have smuggled a six-centimetre plastic handled razor knife aboard a Sydney to Cairns Virgin Blue flight to Cairns yesterday.
The court heard he produced the knife to test the airline security measures, but he was also angry at having to wait in line for some time in Sydney.
The matter has been adjourned until 2:15pm AEST.
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Virgin blasted over knife threat
By Jordan Baker and Kim Arlington
June 11, 2003
A CAIRNS magistrate has criticised Virgin Blue for allowing a flight to continue after a pensioner allegedly brandished a knife similar to those used in the September 11 attacks.
Magistrate Robert Spencer said he found it "extraordinary" that Virgin allowed the flight to proceed, without checking what other items might have slipped through security.
"I find it extraordinary that the flight continued," he said, as Bondi pensioner Edmund Mack, 68, faced court over the incident.
"The airline continued the flight without checking for other items that may have tricked security."
Mack is accused of running a six-centimetre retractable Stanley knife up and down an aircraft wall on a flight from Sydney to Cairns yesterday.
Mack did not have the blade up and no threats were made but other passengers said he exhibited "ranting behaviour", the court was told.
It was the latest in a string of disturbing security incidents in recent weeks, and prompted Sydney Airport chief Max Moore-Wilton to admit today that it is impossible to guarantee airport security.
Late last month, two Qantas flight attendants were stabbed with wooden stakes in an alleged hijacking attempt, and last week a man was arrested for making threatening comments on a Virgin flight.
It also emerged this week a former Qantas baggage handler was named by the US Central Intelligence Agency as an al-Qaeda operative in Australia with plans to carry out bombings.
And today it was reported that a former Sydney Airport shuttle bus driver raised funds for the violent Indonesian group Laskar Jihad.
Mr Moore-Wilton said it was impossible to have a 100 per cent risk-free security situation when biros and plastic forks could be lethal weapons.
"You've got to expect these things, there's heightened community sensitivity," he told reporters.
"The problem in this case is that the particular device - the plastic-sheathed box cutter - is very difficult to detect."
The Cairns court was today told Mack wanted to test security and held a grudge against Virgin Blue because he once had to wait in a long queue.
Mack made two appearances in court today after he was forcibly removed the first time when he became agitated and argued with the magistrate.
The court heard he allegedly brandished the knife but surrendered it when challenged.
Mack was charged with possession of dangerous goods on an aircraft. He was not required to enter a plea and was remanded in custody to reappear on Monday.
A Virgin Blue spokeswoman later confirmed the airline would be launching its own inquiry into the incident and looking at the security arrangements at Sydney airport.
She said crew and guests were at no time threatened on the flight, but it was in everybody's interests to ensure such incidents did not happen again.
"Our chief of security will be speaking to heads of security at Sydney airport today about the security arrangements there," the spokeswoman said.
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Posted: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:07 AEST
Man accused of flight offence removed from court
A man accused of brandishing a knife on a plane over Queensland yesterday has been forcibly removed from a Cairns court after becoming agitated.
Edmund Mack, 68, argued with the magistrate during proceedings in the Cairns court this morning.
He is alleged to have smuggled a six-centimetre plastic handled razor knife aboard a Sydney to Cairns Virgin Blue flight to Cairns yesterday.
The court heard he produced the knife to test the airline security measures, but he was also angry at having to wait in line for some time in Sydney.
The matter has been adjourned until 2:15pm AEST.
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Virgin blasted over knife threat
By Jordan Baker and Kim Arlington
June 11, 2003
A CAIRNS magistrate has criticised Virgin Blue for allowing a flight to continue after a pensioner allegedly brandished a knife similar to those used in the September 11 attacks.
Magistrate Robert Spencer said he found it "extraordinary" that Virgin allowed the flight to proceed, without checking what other items might have slipped through security.
"I find it extraordinary that the flight continued," he said, as Bondi pensioner Edmund Mack, 68, faced court over the incident.
"The airline continued the flight without checking for other items that may have tricked security."
Mack is accused of running a six-centimetre retractable Stanley knife up and down an aircraft wall on a flight from Sydney to Cairns yesterday.
Mack did not have the blade up and no threats were made but other passengers said he exhibited "ranting behaviour", the court was told.
It was the latest in a string of disturbing security incidents in recent weeks, and prompted Sydney Airport chief Max Moore-Wilton to admit today that it is impossible to guarantee airport security.
Late last month, two Qantas flight attendants were stabbed with wooden stakes in an alleged hijacking attempt, and last week a man was arrested for making threatening comments on a Virgin flight.
It also emerged this week a former Qantas baggage handler was named by the US Central Intelligence Agency as an al-Qaeda operative in Australia with plans to carry out bombings.
And today it was reported that a former Sydney Airport shuttle bus driver raised funds for the violent Indonesian group Laskar Jihad.
Mr Moore-Wilton said it was impossible to have a 100 per cent risk-free security situation when biros and plastic forks could be lethal weapons.
"You've got to expect these things, there's heightened community sensitivity," he told reporters.
"The problem in this case is that the particular device - the plastic-sheathed box cutter - is very difficult to detect."
The Cairns court was today told Mack wanted to test security and held a grudge against Virgin Blue because he once had to wait in a long queue.
Mack made two appearances in court today after he was forcibly removed the first time when he became agitated and argued with the magistrate.
The court heard he allegedly brandished the knife but surrendered it when challenged.
Mack was charged with possession of dangerous goods on an aircraft. He was not required to enter a plea and was remanded in custody to reappear on Monday.
A Virgin Blue spokeswoman later confirmed the airline would be launching its own inquiry into the incident and looking at the security arrangements at Sydney airport.
She said crew and guests were at no time threatened on the flight, but it was in everybody's interests to ensure such incidents did not happen again.
"Our chief of security will be speaking to heads of security at Sydney airport today about the security arrangements there," the spokeswoman said.
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Magistrate Robert Spencer. That is why you are a judge and we fly a/c. We don't rush in and make no brainer decisions based on panic and assumption. The Captain and crew obviously at no time found the safety of the pax or integrity of the a/c to be compromised. The term "land at nearest suitable airport" crops up in the QRH when the circumstance so demands. I am sure if this situation demanded a more reactive response, the crew would have done so.
Remember judge, "it is better to keep ones mouth shut and let people think we are an idiot, rather than to open ones mouth and confirm it". YOU MORON!!!!!!!
Remember judge, "it is better to keep ones mouth shut and let people think we are an idiot, rather than to open ones mouth and confirm it". YOU MORON!!!!!!!
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Another incompetant Aussie judge that's lost touch with reality surfaces again. Meanwhile his peer sentanced a convicted hijacker that held a knife to a pilot's throat to.....18 months. This latest incident cleary demonstrates the urgency with which the good public need take personal responsibility to physically ensure these characters do not opportune themselves to the Australian courts. Oooohh.....well this might be might view.....just let me check that Woomera and his mates are agreeable.....back in a minute..... 
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Ahhh, I feel MUCH safer now that we have Doctor Captain Rambo Winstun back to offer his "wealth" of knowledge.
Let's see now, Winstun according to one of your previous posts, had YOU been a passenger on that flight, you would immediately have disarmed and KILLED Mr Mack in an instant, thereby rendering "immediate justice"!
Go and get a REAL life, Winstun, instead of flagellating in public, on an internet forum.
And as for my opinion on the above incident, "The court heard he produced the knife to test the airline security measures".
Well he certainly DID do that, and they failed.
The very same security that confiscates nail clippers and Swiss Army knives FAILED to detect the very same weapon used in the 911 hijackings.
In other words, the charade has been exposed - by Mr Mack - for what it is, a salve to make pax FEEL safe.
There have been countless posts on several PPRuNe forums, by professional pilots, saying this for a long time. But who are those who are involved at the "front line" expected to know what they're on about?!!
The majority of the security staff employed at airports are UNDER-TRAINED, but over-zealous...pouncing on old ladies with nail clippers, whilst the professionals are able to slide past effortlessly.
All pax are hit with an extra levy that is supposed to offer them an increased level of safety. As Mr Mack has shown, that levy is really money down the drain, unless the companies employed to provide the security adequately train their staff.
Of course, under the Winstun Plan, no pax holding less than a black belt in karate would EVER be allowed to travel!!
Let's see now, Winstun according to one of your previous posts, had YOU been a passenger on that flight, you would immediately have disarmed and KILLED Mr Mack in an instant, thereby rendering "immediate justice"!
Go and get a REAL life, Winstun, instead of flagellating in public, on an internet forum.
And as for my opinion on the above incident, "The court heard he produced the knife to test the airline security measures".
Well he certainly DID do that, and they failed.
The very same security that confiscates nail clippers and Swiss Army knives FAILED to detect the very same weapon used in the 911 hijackings.
In other words, the charade has been exposed - by Mr Mack - for what it is, a salve to make pax FEEL safe.
There have been countless posts on several PPRuNe forums, by professional pilots, saying this for a long time. But who are those who are involved at the "front line" expected to know what they're on about?!!
The majority of the security staff employed at airports are UNDER-TRAINED, but over-zealous...pouncing on old ladies with nail clippers, whilst the professionals are able to slide past effortlessly.
All pax are hit with an extra levy that is supposed to offer them an increased level of safety. As Mr Mack has shown, that levy is really money down the drain, unless the companies employed to provide the security adequately train their staff.
Of course, under the Winstun Plan, no pax holding less than a black belt in karate would EVER be allowed to travel!!
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Airports can't beat cutters
By Steve Creedy, Amanda Hodge and Sid Marris
12jun03
AUTHORITIES admitted yesterday they were powerless to stop passengers boarding aircraft with cutters similar to those used in the September 11 terrorist hijackings.
The Howard Government and Sydney airport officials revealed smaller, plastic-cased versions of the box-cutters used during the terror attacks on New York and Washington could escape detection by airport security and conceded many probably got through.
The admission came as a Cairns magistrate attacked Virgin Blue for not aborting a flight between Sydney and Cairns on Tuesday after 68-year-old Edmund Mack produced a lightweight knife with a retractable blade.
The airline also was forced to defend itself against accusations it was interfering with police by telling staff not to sign evidence statements.
Australian Protective Services officers expressed concerns about the approach of airlines to security.
"They are only worried about money," an air marshal told The Australian yesterday.
After the third serious airline security incident this month, Sydney airport chief executive Max Moore-Wilton called on state consumer affairs ministers to consider banning the sale of the thin-bladed plastic-sheathed paper cutters.
Mr Moore-Wilton said the cutters were difficult to pick up on airport screening equipment because they were thin and contained little or no metal.
"At the moment, the technology does not pick up that particular implement," he said. There was no way to guarantee absolute security at airports.
"You can't have, of course, (a) 100 per cent absolutely risk-free security situation. You've got to expect these things, there's heightened community sensitivity.
"The problem in this case is that the particular device - the plastic-sheathed box-cutter - is very difficult to detect."
Mr Moore-Wilton said X-ray scanners could pick up only metal, and airport security guards had limited ability to detect passengers carrying potentially dangerous objects.
"A Biro pen can be a lethal weapon, a plastic fork can be a lethal weapon, a hand can be a lethal weapon in somebody that's well-trained in the martial arts," he said.
"So there's no way, whether it's a private guard or a government guard, that you're going to be able to give 100 per cent security."
Mr Moore-Wilton said the issue was due to be raised at a meeting yesterday between the federal Government and the airlines.
A spokesman for Transport Minister John Anderson confirmed the Government was aware of the box-cutter problem.
"They're very hard to detect if they're in someone's bag, and there have been many instances of them getting through," he said.
Virgin Blue said it was still investigating the incident and confirmed they refused to let another passenger board a flight in Sydney yesterday after the traveller made a comment about a bomb while checking in.
A Virgin spokeswoman said staff could refuse to sign documents until they had a company representative present, but insisted they must give information verbally.
Mr Anderson's spokesman said it was reasonable for any company to have its own internal processes, but airlines were expected to co-operate with the authorities.
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Airports can't beat cutters
By Steve Creedy, Amanda Hodge and Sid Marris
12jun03
AUTHORITIES admitted yesterday they were powerless to stop passengers boarding aircraft with cutters similar to those used in the September 11 terrorist hijackings.
The Howard Government and Sydney airport officials revealed smaller, plastic-cased versions of the box-cutters used during the terror attacks on New York and Washington could escape detection by airport security and conceded many probably got through.
The admission came as a Cairns magistrate attacked Virgin Blue for not aborting a flight between Sydney and Cairns on Tuesday after 68-year-old Edmund Mack produced a lightweight knife with a retractable blade.
The airline also was forced to defend itself against accusations it was interfering with police by telling staff not to sign evidence statements.
Australian Protective Services officers expressed concerns about the approach of airlines to security.
"They are only worried about money," an air marshal told The Australian yesterday.
After the third serious airline security incident this month, Sydney airport chief executive Max Moore-Wilton called on state consumer affairs ministers to consider banning the sale of the thin-bladed plastic-sheathed paper cutters.
Mr Moore-Wilton said the cutters were difficult to pick up on airport screening equipment because they were thin and contained little or no metal.
"At the moment, the technology does not pick up that particular implement," he said. There was no way to guarantee absolute security at airports.
"You can't have, of course, (a) 100 per cent absolutely risk-free security situation. You've got to expect these things, there's heightened community sensitivity.
"The problem in this case is that the particular device - the plastic-sheathed box-cutter - is very difficult to detect."
Mr Moore-Wilton said X-ray scanners could pick up only metal, and airport security guards had limited ability to detect passengers carrying potentially dangerous objects.
"A Biro pen can be a lethal weapon, a plastic fork can be a lethal weapon, a hand can be a lethal weapon in somebody that's well-trained in the martial arts," he said.
"So there's no way, whether it's a private guard or a government guard, that you're going to be able to give 100 per cent security."
Mr Moore-Wilton said the issue was due to be raised at a meeting yesterday between the federal Government and the airlines.
A spokesman for Transport Minister John Anderson confirmed the Government was aware of the box-cutter problem.
"They're very hard to detect if they're in someone's bag, and there have been many instances of them getting through," he said.
Virgin Blue said it was still investigating the incident and confirmed they refused to let another passenger board a flight in Sydney yesterday after the traveller made a comment about a bomb while checking in.
A Virgin spokeswoman said staff could refuse to sign documents until they had a company representative present, but insisted they must give information verbally.
Mr Anderson's spokesman said it was reasonable for any company to have its own internal processes, but airlines were expected to co-operate with the authorities.
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"..Sydney airport chief executive Max Moore-Wilton called on state consumer affairs ministers to consider banning the sale of the thin-bladed plastic-sheathed paper cutters."
What world does this man live in?
But while he's at it, how about also banning knitting needles, plastic chopsticks, carbon knives, wooden stakes, metal pens, and the GREATEST offender....Nail Clippers - the weapon of choice by many a hijacker!!
What world does this man live in?
But while he's at it, how about also banning knitting needles, plastic chopsticks, carbon knives, wooden stakes, metal pens, and the GREATEST offender....Nail Clippers - the weapon of choice by many a hijacker!!
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I have NEVER EVER claimed to be a doctor. Although I have performed field surgery using textbooks during war special ops, only out of necessity. And yes, I do have extensive medical knowledge, so what? I have met many doctors with pilot license. Big deal. 
Kaptin, you are right that pax will always have some kind of weapons available to them. You are wrong in the "winstun plan" assertion. All I expect of my friends, the good public, is do YOUR best, whether that be crying in your seat or taking action. Yes, if I were on the flight, I would have immediately disarmed him. Given the opportunity? Yes, I would have terminated him. There is NO place for these people in this world. Please let me reassure the more capable travelling pax that in taking out these guys ('self defence mate') you ARE gonna walk! Just don't steal the hijakers lunch money or give any stock tips to the window seat, THEN you're facing hard time....
Kaptin, you are right that pax will always have some kind of weapons available to them. You are wrong in the "winstun plan" assertion. All I expect of my friends, the good public, is do YOUR best, whether that be crying in your seat or taking action. Yes, if I were on the flight, I would have immediately disarmed him. Given the opportunity? Yes, I would have terminated him. There is NO place for these people in this world. Please let me reassure the more capable travelling pax that in taking out these guys ('self defence mate') you ARE gonna walk! Just don't steal the hijakers lunch money or give any stock tips to the window seat, THEN you're facing hard time....
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This gentleman could have made his point a less alarming way. Getting the knife out on board is over the top given the current climate. I think sentencing is the key here - sorry, the human rights issues don't wash with me. People making threats with knives should receive a life ban from airline travel. Hijacking ?- life sentence (life meaning life). You don't just happen to fall into these situations by accident they are thought out. People are getting tired of this stuff - our industry needs help not these fools. Mums and dads want to get on the plane go from A to B as quickly as possible withouy these dramas.
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Dr. Capt. Rambo Winstun, (from now on known as "The Terminator") , man are you good. Terminate a loopy 68 year old man heh. Guys, we are are truely in the presence of of greatness and I think we should treat him with due reverence.
"Terminator", I salute you. Please forgive me for ever having doubts about your obvious superior abilities.
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"Terminator", I salute you. Please forgive me for ever having doubts about your obvious superior abilities.
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I do certainly not consider myself in any way superior, or a "Rambo' as asserted. Quite the opposite, I am a very laid back and cool. However.......I do not care for the mental state, age, intent, or ANY other reason/excuse of hijack attempt or any implied threat, no matter how small. I am sorry for the 'old crazies' or 'jokers'. But this is the new game in town. It is not something that we like to deal with, but WILL, like it or NOT. Let this be a clear warning to all potential perpetrators: there MAY be people of my capabilties on YOUR flight.
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Winstun ,you say that:
"there may be people of my capabilities on your flight"
Are these capabilities the ones you have so often told us about or is it perhaps another one, having two dicks.
"there may be people of my capabilities on your flight"
Are these capabilities the ones you have so often told us about or is it perhaps another one, having two dicks.
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Although I have performed field surgery using textbooks during war special ops, only out of necessity. And yes, I do have extensive medical knowledge.....Winstun's medical experience, which includes field surgery assistance during covert operations in Africa and South America during the late '80s......I am a very laid back and cool.... Let this be a clear warning to all potential perpetrators: there MAY be people of my capabilties on YOUR flight.
[P.S. I reckon Winston is Woomera - attempting to inject some new blod into the D & G Forums - I mean, Winstun really is a "one off"]
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Quote: "Although I have performed field surgery using textbooks...."
I'll bet the field surgery was done on yourself Winstun. At a guess I'd say it was either a penis enlargement or a frontal labotomy - probably both!
Funnily enough the more I read your posts the more like Jerry Seinfeld's mate Neuman you become. Keep 'em coming mate!
I'll bet the field surgery was done on yourself Winstun. At a guess I'd say it was either a penis enlargement or a frontal labotomy - probably both!
Funnily enough the more I read your posts the more like Jerry Seinfeld's mate Neuman you become. Keep 'em coming mate!
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I may not be a qualified doctor but many a soldier and civilian are thankful to me for saving a life or limb during special ops in the late '80s. It is not something I think about much these days, the subject of my medical experience was stated only in the context of providing information on that previous topic. It appears some here have a real or imagined inferiority complex of their anatomy. If you spent more time reading medical (or other)journals and less time watching TV, you might learn something worthwhile and be less bitter of other's achievements and capabilities. 
topic. It appears some here have a real or imagined inferiority complex of their anatomy. If you spent more time reading medical (or other)journals and less time watching TV, you might learn something worthwhile and be less bitter of other's achievements and capabilities.
You have to wonder why the Terminator is posting all this bluster. Impotence? Small man syndrome? Cracks me up though.
In the rush to ban everything even remotely pointy, what has happened to passenger profiling? Is this not the cost-effective way of screening pax? At the end of the day, loons have always disrupted flights - but the 'real' hijacker must come up on some security radar, somewhere.
In the rush to ban everything even remotely pointy, what has happened to passenger profiling? Is this not the cost-effective way of screening pax? At the end of the day, loons have always disrupted flights - but the 'real' hijacker must come up on some security radar, somewhere.
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but the 'real' hijacker must come up on some security radar, somewhere.
OK lets play pick the post apart.
Try proof reading, use a spell checker. Then when you've finished 'generalising' and removed all hint of emotion, your arguments may warrant serious consideration.
(did you mean unloved?) and
I read Aviation Week and Space Technology. It doesn't make me an astronaut. If your argument has merit then your background serves to enhance it. But even a qualified 'insert profession of choice' has been known to talk out his/her Rs.
I think the word is 'elude'. Try reading a dictionary. I think that banning all stanley knives is a poor alternative to detecting potential hijackers using profiling. Naive? Your words - I prefer practical. There is a lot of evidence to suggest that there was sufficient intelligence information going around to predict the WTC tragedy.
I don't think anyone is underestimating the 'threat'. However this incident must be viewed in perspective.
BTW the next time you are travelling please let me know so I can book on the same flight. I have an ingrown toenail that needs to be looked at and my house is being repossessed and I need some advice. I normally don't travel by air as I feel its unsafe, but if you are on board you can be my bodyguard.
Please keep posting, I'm bored.
Another incompetant Aussie judge that's lost touch with reality surfaces again. Meanwhile his peer sentanced a convicted hijacker....
I have never claimed to be a lawyer, although I have studied in this field and been invloved with some paralegal work.
If you spent more time reading medical (or other)journals and less time watching TV.....
This a very naive attitude. Professionals can easily allude security profiling.
Underestimating the threat risk of a 'loon' is a grave mistake.
BTW the next time you are travelling please let me know so I can book on the same flight. I have an ingrown toenail that needs to be looked at and my house is being repossessed and I need some advice. I normally don't travel by air as I feel its unsafe, but if you are on board you can be my bodyguard.
Please keep posting, I'm bored.
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Please excuse my spelling, I speak 8 languages in addition to my native english and often get mixed up with the exact wording. I am a busy person and don't have time to always refer to my oxford dictionary. I certainly agree pax profiling is one of many security measures that should be used. But at the end of the day, the pros and loons will be there on board. We must face this reality and be prepared with an educated public and crew for hijacker containment. Extermination is optional, depending on individual talent at hand. But if available and actioned, the upside is that it makes clear to hijacker perpetrators and their directors that this action is not valid, viable or ever successful. to their aims. In addition, I strongly recommend cabin barriers for whenever cockpit security door is opened and flight specific code activated tasers on flight deck as last line defense. Infrared missile protection should be installed on all airliners as standard.