Ansett Royal Commission
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The general consensus here is that a Royal Commision would be highly desireable, but unlikely to be instigated. That you all for your input. Been to Vietam and speak the lingo, MB? No wonder bar staff directed you to the toilet when you thought you were ordering a beer! 
In Vietnamise,"Bong" (flat tone) is a girls name, with a slight rising tone is "4" and with a waivering tone means "is nicely hung and makes love with a slow burn all night". Only the last translation causes my handle to make grammatic sense. Interestingly Xhuc Zichonic Em Di roughly translates as "coward who name calls from behind computer terminal" Enjoy your retirement..
In Vietnamise,"Bong" (flat tone) is a girls name, with a slight rising tone is "4" and with a waivering tone means "is nicely hung and makes love with a slow burn all night". Only the last translation causes my handle to make grammatic sense. Interestingly Xhuc Zichonic Em Di roughly translates as "coward who name calls from behind computer terminal" Enjoy your retirement..
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Ralph,
First rule of royal commission's - Work out the possible outcomes first. Second rule - If you have to blame someone make sure they are a. dead, b. in jail already or c. beyond the jurisdiction and unlikely to return. Third rule - Have secret final part of report referred to police/prosecutors for their action. Fourth rule - Make sure you don't accidentally shoot yourself in an appendage.
Model example - HIH Royal Commission.
An inquiry into Ansett would have the potential to damage both major political parties, the ACTU and some major corporate players. Such an exercise is not unlikely to be instigated. It will NEVER be instigated.
If you want to see what happens when a Royal Commission goes very wrong look at the two into the Voyager disaster. Those people who truly deserved to be supported and helped waited 30 years for justice while the Navy hierarchy blamed the innocent and did their level best to cover up their own inadequacies.
First rule of royal commission's - Work out the possible outcomes first. Second rule - If you have to blame someone make sure they are a. dead, b. in jail already or c. beyond the jurisdiction and unlikely to return. Third rule - Have secret final part of report referred to police/prosecutors for their action. Fourth rule - Make sure you don't accidentally shoot yourself in an appendage.
Model example - HIH Royal Commission.
An inquiry into Ansett would have the potential to damage both major political parties, the ACTU and some major corporate players. Such an exercise is not unlikely to be instigated. It will NEVER be instigated.
If you want to see what happens when a Royal Commission goes very wrong look at the two into the Voyager disaster. Those people who truly deserved to be supported and helped waited 30 years for justice while the Navy hierarchy blamed the innocent and did their level best to cover up their own inadequacies.
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Why, thank you RTB. I do enjoy my retirement actually, although how you knew I was is beyond me.
Yes, I have been to VN, in 1965 on a six month attachment to Vung Tau.
No, I have no idea about Vietnamese, what little I knew back then has long gone. It just seemed that given you have your location there, and with the topic you started, you could only qualify as a hero, so it seemed "Bong" could mean "scab" in your case.
As for “hiding behind a computer terminal” - Yep. Just like everybody else on this site, you included.
Yes, I have been to VN, in 1965 on a six month attachment to Vung Tau.
No, I have no idea about Vietnamese, what little I knew back then has long gone. It just seemed that given you have your location there, and with the topic you started, you could only qualify as a hero, so it seemed "Bong" could mean "scab" in your case.
As for “hiding behind a computer terminal” - Yep. Just like everybody else on this site, you included.
PS I have a crystal bong
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Is Captain Truang (from memory that is how it is spelt) still flying for Vietnam Airlines?
He is the one that dropped the bombs on the Palace in the last days of the War.
He was just qualifying as a B767 Captain when I last saw him, about 10 years ago.
He is the one that dropped the bombs on the Palace in the last days of the War.
He was just qualifying as a B767 Captain when I last saw him, about 10 years ago.
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'Bomber' Truong is still there, now the Fleet Captain B777. Decorated war hero ( oh no!! Not that word !! Ahh!!!). Has songs sung about him in schools, apparently. His F-5 is on display in the gardens of the Presidential Palace. There are two white circles painted on the roof where the bombs impacted. They failed to explode as they were dropped too low to arm. It's the thought that counts, I s'pose. Son-in-law PT Bihn also capt B777. Two fine gentlemen, excellent aviators and captivating story tellers. 
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Yes that's him. 
He has come on, he was an F/O on the B767 when I was there.
He is a National Hero in Vietnam, but we all said he was a Traitor, but not to his face.
He was handy to have on board, we were coming into Hanoi from Saigon one day, being terribly messed around by ATC, he got on the radio with a few words in Vietnamese, next thing we were cleared for a priority straight in approach.
Mind you I could tell you about another flight up to CKS Airport in Taipei one night, where he was within seconds of.......... (no I better not tell you)...........
He has come on, he was an F/O on the B767 when I was there.
He is a National Hero in Vietnam, but we all said he was a Traitor, but not to his face.
He was handy to have on board, we were coming into Hanoi from Saigon one day, being terribly messed around by ATC, he got on the radio with a few words in Vietnamese, next thing we were cleared for a priority straight in approach.
Mind you I could tell you about another flight up to CKS Airport in Taipei one night, where he was within seconds of.......... (no I better not tell you)...........
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Has anyone suggested an investigative journo attempt to find the truth,instead of some fat cat retired judge who just happens to be a mate of many prominent pollies.
Now that Hawke is no longer PM perhaps Pilger is allowed back in the country and could attempt to look through the long and slow demise of Ansett.
Now that Hawke is no longer PM perhaps Pilger is allowed back in the country and could attempt to look through the long and slow demise of Ansett.
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Whipping boy,
You demonstrate your complete lack of knowledge of the media with your post.
The Australia media couldn't care less about what happened to AN. It's an old story and newspapers are not interested in history.
And given that Rupert Murdoch owned 62 per cent of all the newspapers in Australia and owned half of AN for many years do you seriously think any of his newspapers is going to do a bucket job on AN. Get real.
And Mr Pilger. Well, he won't write for any Murdoch paper, he regards Mr Murdoch as akin to Satan, he can come back to Australia anytime he wants and his theories and books are laughable claptrap.
Auberon Waugh, a noted English journalist, coined a verb 'to pilger' which he defined as (and I am paraphrasing), selecting and publishing only those facts which suit your idea of how the world should be if you ran it.
Pilger would certainly find that the collapse of AN was the result of a CIA plot, engineered in collaboration with other Western governments, major banks and other unnamed elements, to ensure that the public as made to pay the highest possible cost for everything for as long as possible. Oh, and it was really designed to oppress the people of East Timor.
And believe me, there is not a journalist in this country with either the time, the inclination or the ability to conduct the sort of investigation you propose. I'll take the retired judge any time.
You demonstrate your complete lack of knowledge of the media with your post.
The Australia media couldn't care less about what happened to AN. It's an old story and newspapers are not interested in history.
And given that Rupert Murdoch owned 62 per cent of all the newspapers in Australia and owned half of AN for many years do you seriously think any of his newspapers is going to do a bucket job on AN. Get real.
And Mr Pilger. Well, he won't write for any Murdoch paper, he regards Mr Murdoch as akin to Satan, he can come back to Australia anytime he wants and his theories and books are laughable claptrap.
Auberon Waugh, a noted English journalist, coined a verb 'to pilger' which he defined as (and I am paraphrasing), selecting and publishing only those facts which suit your idea of how the world should be if you ran it.
Pilger would certainly find that the collapse of AN was the result of a CIA plot, engineered in collaboration with other Western governments, major banks and other unnamed elements, to ensure that the public as made to pay the highest possible cost for everything for as long as possible. Oh, and it was really designed to oppress the people of East Timor.
And believe me, there is not a journalist in this country with either the time, the inclination or the ability to conduct the sort of investigation you propose. I'll take the retired judge any time.
short flights long nights
Wiley, as always, has done another classic post. Many times on this Forum , I have suggested that, if he has the guts, GT do a bit of REAL journo stuff, and REALLY look at events from 1989 to present. He has not to date replied, and I do not expect he will. Or, if he does, it will to be explain why it is just not possible.
One day, be it when the one with silver hair, that has thrived on the destruction of many, when he has left the harbour, and gone to his judgment, maybe then, the FACTS will come out........somehow I doubt it.
One day, be it when the one with silver hair, that has thrived on the destruction of many, when he has left the harbour, and gone to his judgment, maybe then, the FACTS will come out........somehow I doubt it.
