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Dirty Deeds, are you sure Southwest is the only airline in the US to post a profit for 30 years? Are you sure VB is the only airline that employs pilots with "good single pilot time in turbine A/C, good two crew time in regional A/C"?
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Deeds mate,
Interesting you refer to WN as they require all new hires to have a 737 ticket and thus save loads of cash on command upgrades.
I know a lot of folks getting into VB with less experience than most carriers around the area would accept.
Also, WN have not always been profitable - they have had loss making years.
Interesting you refer to WN as they require all new hires to have a 737 ticket and thus save loads of cash on command upgrades.
I know a lot of folks getting into VB with less experience than most carriers around the area would accept.
Also, WN have not always been profitable - they have had loss making years.
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Dirty Deeds
I think you hit the nail on the head. The whole screening business is just that. A whole load of tests sure gets rid of a whole lot of dead wood, but it also cuts out a lot of good applicants and lets a heap more crap applicants get through.
Everybody would know losers who have got into QF, CX.
The whole 'get to know you' principle is used by lots of airlines worldwide and does bring out results. As for recommendations this also has the obvious benefits.
jakethemuss be sure of your facts, just because someone has done the tests and isn't working for that airline doesn't mean they've failed. Believe it or not some people don't want to work for QF, CX.
The airline that I work for (not in Oz) has the simple interview process, but I have also passed the complex type with psych tests etc.. It came down to the fact that I didn't want to do long haul with an egotistical airline.
I think you hit the nail on the head. The whole screening business is just that. A whole load of tests sure gets rid of a whole lot of dead wood, but it also cuts out a lot of good applicants and lets a heap more crap applicants get through.
Everybody would know losers who have got into QF, CX.
The whole 'get to know you' principle is used by lots of airlines worldwide and does bring out results. As for recommendations this also has the obvious benefits.
jakethemuss be sure of your facts, just because someone has done the tests and isn't working for that airline doesn't mean they've failed. Believe it or not some people don't want to work for QF, CX.
The airline that I work for (not in Oz) has the simple interview process, but I have also passed the complex type with psych tests etc.. It came down to the fact that I didn't want to do long haul with an egotistical airline.
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Dirty Deeds, I suggest you read some history books on aviation......I don't think it would be wise to mention that Orville and Wilbur Wright "invented" flying in an interview.
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I think that you may find by using these tests for recruitment helps prevent potential litigation. I know for a fact that Ansett went from the "get to know you" type interview to the style that Qantas uses for that very reason. Does anyone know of a perfect recruitment process?
Grandpa Aerotart
No there is not an airline recruiting system that is perfect...but the marathon method is a long way from the best of a bad bunch and says more about the egos of the people running with that method than anything else.
And for the record I have passed 4 days of BS testing and flown for the company, passed and flown for an airline that uses the short chat after recommendation, 'failed' a full day of testing when the other candidate on the day was ex 'The Mob' and then went drinking with the entire interview board. Been left behind after a very good interview ( "Yeah I liked him and would've given him a second interview but..." "Yes he can certainly apply again" "But with all those VB/ex AN fellas on interview/file" etc).
Airline recruiting is a lottery...the longer the selection process the bigger the lottery. Apart from aviation or the military psycometric (sp?) testing has been out of favour for years. At least so says a family member that just retired after 40 years... very many in HR management type positions in some pretty big utility companies and liasing with big business.
A short chat with a candidate who has been recomended by several trusted/respected employees is a very powerfull recruiting process....but not foolproof.
Chuck
And for the record I have passed 4 days of BS testing and flown for the company, passed and flown for an airline that uses the short chat after recommendation, 'failed' a full day of testing when the other candidate on the day was ex 'The Mob' and then went drinking with the entire interview board. Been left behind after a very good interview ( "Yeah I liked him and would've given him a second interview but..." "Yes he can certainly apply again" "But with all those VB/ex AN fellas on interview/file" etc).
Airline recruiting is a lottery...the longer the selection process the bigger the lottery. Apart from aviation or the military psycometric (sp?) testing has been out of favour for years. At least so says a family member that just retired after 40 years... very many in HR management type positions in some pretty big utility companies and liasing with big business.
A short chat with a candidate who has been recomended by several trusted/respected employees is a very powerfull recruiting process....but not foolproof.
Chuck
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What about Virgin Express in Europe? That certainly operates international but is separate to VS?
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Thanks guys for your informative ramble about everything but the original question.
I'm sure I asked if anyone had any information about Virgin International. Start a new post if you want to slang sh%t at each other about your interviews.
I'm sure I asked if anyone had any information about Virgin International. Start a new post if you want to slang sh%t at each other about your interviews.
