QF Domestic Fleet Utilisation
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QF Domestic Fleet Utilisation
By the end of June, QF will be reintroducing domestic 747 operations. They will operate double daily 743 services on the SYD-CNS route, and double daily 744 services on the SYD-PER route.
Also, at the same time, a triple daily 332 service will begin on the SYD-BNE route.
With the arrivals of the 4 new 73H aircraft, MEL-BNE is almost exclusivly operated by this aircraft type, 12 out of the 15 daily flights will now be 73H.
With regards to the 737 classics, Trans-Tasman services will now be operated by 734 aircraft rather than 733. SYD-OOL is now returning to mostly mainline aircraft (again!), with 767 and 737 aircraft operating all but 2 or 3 flights per day.
Does anyone have any dates for the completion of the 733 all Y reconfiguration? Are all aircraft being reconfigured? It's just that 2 daily ADL-BNE and ADL-PER services are still operated by 733, and I would have thought that services between capital city metropolises would have a need for J class, especially at morning and evening peaks!
HOBAY 3.
Also, at the same time, a triple daily 332 service will begin on the SYD-BNE route.
With the arrivals of the 4 new 73H aircraft, MEL-BNE is almost exclusivly operated by this aircraft type, 12 out of the 15 daily flights will now be 73H.
With regards to the 737 classics, Trans-Tasman services will now be operated by 734 aircraft rather than 733. SYD-OOL is now returning to mostly mainline aircraft (again!), with 767 and 737 aircraft operating all but 2 or 3 flights per day.
Does anyone have any dates for the completion of the 733 all Y reconfiguration? Are all aircraft being reconfigured? It's just that 2 daily ADL-BNE and ADL-PER services are still operated by 733, and I would have thought that services between capital city metropolises would have a need for J class, especially at morning and evening peaks!
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should be all completed by end of June - Post taken from Sydney airport message board-
The all Y 733's should be operating on the following routes/pairs.
PER to/from KTA BME KGI
CNS to/from SYD MEL BNE
HTI to/from SYD MEL
OOL to/from SYD MEL
TSV to/from BNE
ASP to/from DRW SYD ADL MEL
AYQ to/from SYD CNS
The other info I have is the 734's will be converting to a *dedicated* 20 seat J cabin and getting refurb'd at some stage or other. With 733 & 738 refurb/reconfig going on currently, I guess one sub-fleet of the type has to wait!! Someone else at work suggested that 734's will take over International regional flying intermingled with business domestic routes and I see in this thread that appears to be the case, with someone else acknowledging WLG service with them. I know QF looked at running 738's trans-tas but knocked that idea on the head.
There should be 7 of the little 733 ******s back on line now with all Y config, and the last 6 will all be done by June.
The all Y 763's will operate on "heavy" leisure routes like OOL and CNS from the last info I had. I also thought that some J equipped aircraft would still run on some 733 pairs, as in like a morning and evening peak only. You'd think pairs like TSV-BNE would have a lot of Government and Corporate types in peak. My info is now getting on a bit, but haven't seen anything otherwise to suggest it's out of kilter, so welcome any corrections or additions.
The all Y 733's should be operating on the following routes/pairs.
PER to/from KTA BME KGI
CNS to/from SYD MEL BNE
HTI to/from SYD MEL
OOL to/from SYD MEL
TSV to/from BNE
ASP to/from DRW SYD ADL MEL
AYQ to/from SYD CNS
The other info I have is the 734's will be converting to a *dedicated* 20 seat J cabin and getting refurb'd at some stage or other. With 733 & 738 refurb/reconfig going on currently, I guess one sub-fleet of the type has to wait!! Someone else at work suggested that 734's will take over International regional flying intermingled with business domestic routes and I see in this thread that appears to be the case, with someone else acknowledging WLG service with them. I know QF looked at running 738's trans-tas but knocked that idea on the head.
There should be 7 of the little 733 ******s back on line now with all Y config, and the last 6 will all be done by June.
The all Y 763's will operate on "heavy" leisure routes like OOL and CNS from the last info I had. I also thought that some J equipped aircraft would still run on some 733 pairs, as in like a morning and evening peak only. You'd think pairs like TSV-BNE would have a lot of Government and Corporate types in peak. My info is now getting on a bit, but haven't seen anything otherwise to suggest it's out of kilter, so welcome any corrections or additions.
it's faster too.
Nunc est bibendum
Aw, c'mon Gaunty. We do try to put te peddle down on the 'light twin'. Alas, us going flat stick is almost slower than those blokes back at max range cruise!
Biscuit chucker. There was a Jet connect aircraft going back and forward across the Tasman in recent times. That is due to stop (if it hasn't already). It was because QF had run short of air frames (ironically, I think the airframe that JC used was an ex QF one!
). A meeting a while back indicated no long term plan to utilise JC across the Tasman.
Biscuit chucker. There was a Jet connect aircraft going back and forward across the Tasman in recent times. That is due to stop (if it hasn't already). It was because QF had run short of air frames (ironically, I think the airframe that JC used was an ex QF one!
). A meeting a while back indicated no long term plan to utilise JC across the Tasman.
Nunc est bibendum
That rumour about the 762s has a date on it of anywhere between the 'commencement of hostilities with Iraq' (which obviously is well come and gone now) to mid next year. Still, it wouldn't suprise me if it were the end of the month but there is nothing in Flight Ops yet suggesting anything before the end of this year.
hobay,
i understand all the 733s are going all Y and will be finished by end of june, 734s to stay J AND Y and to replace 73s on tasman and some domestic routes requiring a J service
i understand all the 733s are going all Y and will be finished by end of june, 734s to stay J AND Y and to replace 73s on tasman and some domestic routes requiring a J service
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Operated SYD-MEL recently on one of the all economy aircraft, bit of a shock for our regulars. Also operated ADL-ASP-DRW on the same aircraft (TJC). Chockers at 130 pax, service worked well and no complaints from the punters 
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the missing three?????
Hobay,
You may be on to something, with a little birdie whispering in my ear that 3 of the 733's are been chased by some owners from another continent.
You may be on to something, with a little birdie whispering in my ear that 3 of the 733's are been chased by some owners from another continent.
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146s going!
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do you mean all the 146s, (i.e x17 or so), or just the east coast ones (x4) or just the west coast ones (the rest!)? What about the BN-CB route? Doesn't it have a government requirement for J class - or is it going to 734? Interesting times ahead as 'the plan' unfolds I guess.
do you mean all the 146s, (i.e x17 or so), or just the east coast ones (x4) or just the west coast ones (the rest!)? What about the BN-CB route? Doesn't it have a government requirement for J class - or is it going to 734? Interesting times ahead as 'the plan' unfolds I guess.
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There is no aircraft currently in the Qantas fleet that can adequately replace the 146 on CBR-BNE, unless you put J class in 717s. If it went to 734 it would probably mean a frequency reduction and the current 6x a day is about as few as you can have whilst maintaining an adequate frequency for business.
The SYD-CBR and MEL-CBR 146 services could easily become 737s however.
I find this rumour hard to believe. I don't think Qantas have the number of aircraft available to suddenly replace all the 146s, even with the current downturn. You'd certainly have to keep the 762s to cover for some of the 737s thrown onto the 146 routes,
The SYD-CBR and MEL-CBR 146 services could easily become 737s however.
I find this rumour hard to believe. I don't think Qantas have the number of aircraft available to suddenly replace all the 146s, even with the current downturn. You'd certainly have to keep the 762s to cover for some of the 737s thrown onto the 146 routes,
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The latest rumour we are hearing at Canberra airport is for 73's on the BNE - CBR route what model???? but would have to have some J class. They may be to big but generally the 146's cant keep up with the loads.
yes agreed with you guys, it won't be a here today, gone tomorrow case with the 146's i feel a more gradual phase out is likely.
rumours i hear on the ground here in drw, is the 146's going off the drw-asp-per, cns-gov-drw, and asp-bne routes to be replace by 733s, in the all y layout.
qf will then drop gove altogether, and just run the 733 cns-drw.
this may provide an option for alliance to start cns-gov-drw with the f100, a route they have been looking at for some time, and the gove locals get rid of qf who they haven't been too happy with i hear. territorians also get a much needed third option to fly with out of drw and possibly opens up asp-bne for alliance as well, another route they flew for AN as flight west.
i should have clarified this earlier, not sure about the other 146 routes, naturally the WA ones can quite easily be replaced by the 733s as they are already supplementing services there.
thats what im hearing anyway...all very interesting times ahead.
rumours i hear on the ground here in drw, is the 146's going off the drw-asp-per, cns-gov-drw, and asp-bne routes to be replace by 733s, in the all y layout.
qf will then drop gove altogether, and just run the 733 cns-drw.
this may provide an option for alliance to start cns-gov-drw with the f100, a route they have been looking at for some time, and the gove locals get rid of qf who they haven't been too happy with i hear. territorians also get a much needed third option to fly with out of drw and possibly opens up asp-bne for alliance as well, another route they flew for AN as flight west.
i should have clarified this earlier, not sure about the other 146 routes, naturally the WA ones can quite easily be replaced by the 733s as they are already supplementing services there.
thats what im hearing anyway...all very interesting times ahead.
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CB-BN loads
Some figures, obtained from AVSTATS,
CB-BN had 331,537 revenue pax for 2002 year, at average load factor of 79.9%. Load factors for the months of July 2002 to Dec 2002 (last data available) were 82.4, 85.2, 82.7, 84.7, 82.1, 84.6. There were about 400 trips/month (give or take) for each of these months.
Upgrading to 737s would make sense. It would have to be the -400 model (-300 has no J, -800 is too big!). Could still offer 4 or 5 flights per day, keeping business travellers happy, only down by 1 or 2 flights - probably scrap one of the lunchtime flights.
This could leave 737s to take over the few 146s on CB-ML and CB-SY as apacau suggests, with 717s taking over BN-PPP and BN-ISA, leaving the 146 to retire from the east coast!
CB-BN had 331,537 revenue pax for 2002 year, at average load factor of 79.9%. Load factors for the months of July 2002 to Dec 2002 (last data available) were 82.4, 85.2, 82.7, 84.7, 82.1, 84.6. There were about 400 trips/month (give or take) for each of these months.
Upgrading to 737s would make sense. It would have to be the -400 model (-300 has no J, -800 is too big!). Could still offer 4 or 5 flights per day, keeping business travellers happy, only down by 1 or 2 flights - probably scrap one of the lunchtime flights.
This could leave 737s to take over the few 146s on CB-ML and CB-SY as apacau suggests, with 717s taking over BN-PPP and BN-ISA, leaving the 146 to retire from the east coast!