Doorless A330 in Sydney
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My understanding of the A320 systems are that if a door were opened during start up you would get an aural warning and a Master Warning on the glareshield plus an ECAM message "doors" would appear on the upper screen.
Normally at the same time the lower screen would bring up the system schematic with all the doors on it and the open door in amber. The last step may be inhibited during engine startup.
I would presume the 330 would be at least as complete as the 320 if not better.
Normally at the same time the lower screen would bring up the system schematic with all the doors on it and the open door in amber. The last step may be inhibited during engine startup.
I would presume the 330 would be at least as complete as the 320 if not better.
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Now we are talking A320. 
As I said I am not that familiar with them, I have worked on them and flown on them, and the engine start on them is normally fully automatic, the computers virtually start the engines for you, so probably on them you do get a warning? It wouldn't matter, as the Crew (or Engineer) don't NEED to watch ECAM so much.
Maybe the A330 and A340 are like the A320, as I said I don't know.
The A300-600 and A310 are however more conventional Aircraft, where the Crew (or Engineer) NEED to closely monitor the start as they are in ontrol, NOT a computer. For this reason Airbus designed the systems so that you will not be distracted by other things while starting the engines.
As I said I am not that familiar with them, I have worked on them and flown on them, and the engine start on them is normally fully automatic, the computers virtually start the engines for you, so probably on them you do get a warning? It wouldn't matter, as the Crew (or Engineer) don't NEED to watch ECAM so much.
Maybe the A330 and A340 are like the A320, as I said I don't know.
The A300-600 and A310 are however more conventional Aircraft, where the Crew (or Engineer) NEED to closely monitor the start as they are in ontrol, NOT a computer. For this reason Airbus designed the systems so that you will not be distracted by other things while starting the engines.
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Pole Vaulter...You are right on the button. Same logic for A340/330.
Re the 340-600 escape chute mentioned, yes there is one similar to that on the A320 for the overwing exits. These chutes are located outside the cabin in the wing faring. However if as the previous writer indicates that it was a normal door chute the that is impossible.
Have a nice day
Re the 340-600 escape chute mentioned, yes there is one similar to that on the A320 for the overwing exits. These chutes are located outside the cabin in the wing faring. However if as the previous writer indicates that it was a normal door chute the that is impossible.
Have a nice day
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Not 100% on the A330, but on the C172 I fly if the door opens during start up you get a very loud 'wooshing' aural warning followed by sore knuckles from the instrucotrs big stick.....
A330 short term fixes
We have an OEB on the A330 requiring the A/SKID & NW STRG to be switched off before pushback. This obscures the Doors ECAM which would normally be displayed before engine start and requires a clearing of ECAM and STATUS to ensure the doors are closed.
It is a messy proceedure and bound to hide warnings and checks prior to starting engines.
When will I get my DDRMI back, Mr Airbus.
Nice to hear Compass mentioned on PPRUNE.
It is a messy proceedure and bound to hide warnings and checks prior to starting engines.
When will I get my DDRMI back, Mr Airbus.
Nice to hear Compass mentioned on PPRUNE.
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For all the Boeing boys out there criticising the Airbus - answer this question:
Which Boeing models will give you a door open warning message prior to engine start?
Bottom line is all doors closed and ready for pushback and then release brakes and push back - AFTER engineer/mechanic makes sure all aerobridges and equipment are clear.
So give it a rest!
Which Boeing models will give you a door open warning message prior to engine start?
Bottom line is all doors closed and ready for pushback and then release brakes and push back - AFTER engineer/mechanic makes sure all aerobridges and equipment are clear.
So give it a rest!
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Saw the Aircraft today in H96. It is EBA! Door 2 is missing! and has suffered substantial damage, (all casting broken) and airbus are still trying to figure out how to fix it! the door is nothing but scrap metal now. not only that, the Aerobridge contacted the Fuselage in 2 places between Main entry door 1 and 2. both requiring good size fusealge skin repairs approx 2 ft diam. nice good head sized holes! and not to mention some cabin interior components requiring repair! sad thing is
Airbus have no idea how to fix it.!!!!!! there is not even a repair scheme for the holes in the over head locker door!
if it was the Boeing Model the Airbuses are replacing! then this could not have happened!!! B767 door open and retract INSIDE the fusealage.
Airbus have no idea how to fix it.!!!!!! there is not even a repair scheme for the holes in the over head locker door!
if it was the Boeing Model the Airbuses are replacing! then this could not have happened!!! B767 door open and retract INSIDE the fusealage.
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Well...in my day... ...once DCBA was done, we never returned the bridge unless given the okay from the gingerbeer!!!
I dunno...these yung-uns at the airports nowadays! 
...once DCBA was done, we never returned the bridge unless given the okay from the gingerbeer!!!I dunno...these yung-uns at the airports nowadays!
HD
Cathay have had one that I know about and Virgin one overwing slide deployment on the 346. Both shortly after takeoff. In both cases the a/c returned and we can be thankful that there was no elevator/empenage interference.
Cathay have also had a main gear replacement on the 346 in Sydney after a 'heavy' landing about 2 months ago.
The most recent bar survey indicates that about 40% of folk flying the Bus don't like it. I draw no conclusions from that other than to say the figure for the 744 is 0%.
FWIW
Cathay have had one that I know about and Virgin one overwing slide deployment on the 346. Both shortly after takeoff. In both cases the a/c returned and we can be thankful that there was no elevator/empenage interference.
Cathay have also had a main gear replacement on the 346 in Sydney after a 'heavy' landing about 2 months ago.
The most recent bar survey indicates that about 40% of folk flying the Bus don't like it. I draw no conclusions from that other than to say the figure for the 744 is 0%.
FWIW
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Hot Diggety Dog....
No it is conceivable. A USAir 767 was asked by Gatwick Tower if they were evacuating after landing. They replied, "What...no?"
Pax said they had seen an overwing slide for a couple of hours and thought it was new procedure.
Pax said they had seen an overwing slide for a couple of hours and thought it was new procedure.
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A friend was operating on the CX 346 that popped a slide in flight. Cabin monitoring system was giving the ISM all sorts of strange indications. Flight deck informed of strange noise. Noise stopped after a short time. Flight continues to SFO (or LAX, one or t'other) None the wiser. Haven't read about it since.
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If the safety straps are anything like the A320 then they are retractable and it would be pretty much impossible to get them "stuck" in the door frame and flap about in the breeze.
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Interesting side issue to EBA door, the A/C must be jinxed. Engineers in Melbourne nearly ripped of Entry door with mobile steps a few months later, requiring major structural repair, and then a few months later a hole the size of a 50 cent piece was found punched right through the fuselage fwd of door L2. The interesting thing with the last incident was it had gone unnoticed for possibly a number of flights. Qantas EBA's have always been a thorn in their side.
