Virgin Blue salary ?????
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I think that info hit the nail on the head.
Numbers of 195k, 130k, 131,600k, 117,832k , 116,600k and 155k. MMMM, I was getting a wittle confused. But that's Aviation!!!
Ta muchly.
I think that info hit the nail on the head.
Numbers of 195k, 130k, 131,600k, 117,832k , 116,600k and 155k. MMMM, I was getting a wittle confused. But that's Aviation!!!
Ta muchly.
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Gentlepersons,
Does it really matter how much/little over $130K we are paid to do what we do? Many of us are more than happy on what we get. In today's dreadful aviation employment climate a job flying for Virgin Blue is what many of us dream about nightly.
Sprucegoose - I too am appalled at the blowing of your cover. I have found that your multiple contributions to this forum have always been helpful and never belittling or negative. If I am ever selected to fly for DJ I have made it my aim to find you and thank you personally for your assistance. Unfortunately that has been made too easy now. Please continue to enlighten us and I hope you suffer no ill results from this indiscretion. I guess it is a hazard with this type of forum and perhaps some good can come of it.
Does it really matter how much/little over $130K we are paid to do what we do? Many of us are more than happy on what we get. In today's dreadful aviation employment climate a job flying for Virgin Blue is what many of us dream about nightly.
Sprucegoose - I too am appalled at the blowing of your cover. I have found that your multiple contributions to this forum have always been helpful and never belittling or negative. If I am ever selected to fly for DJ I have made it my aim to find you and thank you personally for your assistance. Unfortunately that has been made too easy now. Please continue to enlighten us and I hope you suffer no ill results from this indiscretion. I guess it is a hazard with this type of forum and perhaps some good can come of it.
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Well dehav, how do you explain ex NJS guys with 1000s hours jet starting on level2 ?, or has it changed recently ??
Keg, VB guys can fly 0-100 hours a month, with no change in pay, and don't forget, the 150ish is in 3 years time.
In a nutshell, not even close, unless you call 60 odd grand close, sorry, the pressure is still on ya.
Keg, VB guys can fly 0-100 hours a month, with no change in pay, and don't forget, the 150ish is in 3 years time.
In a nutshell, not even close, unless you call 60 odd grand close, sorry, the pressure is still on ya.
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I should have been more precise.
1000 hrs on jets over 50000 kg.
The 146 doesn't quite reach the mark
The 146 guys from NJS who are joining at the moment don't have the required time on either the 737 or other jets above 50 tonnes
1000 hrs on jets over 50000 kg.
The 146 doesn't quite reach the mark
The 146 guys from NJS who are joining at the moment don't have the required time on either the 737 or other jets above 50 tonnes
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Thanks Rob,
We have had period of two days, whilst we Woomera are all working and this is what you get.
I have had a number of emails regarding the "outing" of certain individuals on this site and on other threads, complaints that others have been dobbed in to their company on the basis of "opinions" aired on this site.
We have been criticised on many occasion by "high profile" persons for the anonymity practised on this site.
One does not have to search too hard for their reasons. If they don't know who you are then they can't "control" you or what you say.
You can be assured absolutely, that if you use this site responsibly your anonymity WILL be protected by PPRuNe.
The results of the above serve to reinforce the absolute necessity for the anonymity that is provided.
I have always and will forever hold the view that this is absolutely neccesary and a non negotiable feature of PPRuNe, as every time someone has been identified of attempted to be so, there have been repercussions that have not necessarilly been positive and pressure applied, sometimes subtley, sometimes less so.
I suspect that the recent indiscretion was not malicious, but I will make some enquiries, and the "guilty party" should PM me.
If it cannot shown to be innocent then they should be prepared for the consequences.
We have had period of two days, whilst we Woomera are all working and this is what you get.
I have had a number of emails regarding the "outing" of certain individuals on this site and on other threads, complaints that others have been dobbed in to their company on the basis of "opinions" aired on this site.
We have been criticised on many occasion by "high profile" persons for the anonymity practised on this site.
One does not have to search too hard for their reasons. If they don't know who you are then they can't "control" you or what you say.
You can be assured absolutely, that if you use this site responsibly your anonymity WILL be protected by PPRuNe.
The results of the above serve to reinforce the absolute necessity for the anonymity that is provided.
I have always and will forever hold the view that this is absolutely neccesary and a non negotiable feature of PPRuNe, as every time someone has been identified of attempted to be so, there have been repercussions that have not necessarilly been positive and pressure applied, sometimes subtley, sometimes less so.
I suspect that the recent indiscretion was not malicious, but I will make some enquiries, and the "guilty party" should PM me.
If it cannot shown to be innocent then they should be prepared for the consequences.
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Touche Woomera!
I think most appreciate your resolve on this issue of anonymity. If the company don't like our opinions that is bad luck, and until Saddam takes control, that is hopefully how it will stay.
In a DEMOCRACY we have the right of free speech without fear of persicution or retribution (unlike our friends in other parts of the world).
I do not envy your job. The Australian pprune would be far and away the hardest to moderate due to our very different opinions (and agenda's of some).
All I can say is please keep up the good work. Thank you!
I think most appreciate your resolve on this issue of anonymity. If the company don't like our opinions that is bad luck, and until Saddam takes control, that is hopefully how it will stay.
In a DEMOCRACY we have the right of free speech without fear of persicution or retribution (unlike our friends in other parts of the world).
I do not envy your job. The Australian pprune would be far and away the hardest to moderate due to our very different opinions (and agenda's of some).
All I can say is please keep up the good work. Thank you!
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IWS
Pressures not on really, everyone knows that VB will never get paid what QF pilots gets, that's just the way it is.
I think you will find that the 150 K mentioned includes everything.
117832 base pay.
15000 retention bonus
About 1000 per month tax free for meal allowances etc. ( 6 weeks annual leave)
To earn that tax free is like earning about 21k pre tax. That takes it up to about $153832
Captains are working very hard at the moment so their allowances would probably be greater than that stated.
In three years time (now only 2 and a quarter) their salary, all going well with international flying and work rule changes, will be around the 156K to 157K mark, without allowances.
You mentioned that it was still 60K short of what QF earn, did you include allowances(overtime) or is a captian on a 737 earning 210 K base plus overtime? Or did you include in that summation?
I only ask because you didn't include it in VB's
Pressures not on really, everyone knows that VB will never get paid what QF pilots gets, that's just the way it is.
I think you will find that the 150 K mentioned includes everything.
117832 base pay.
15000 retention bonus
About 1000 per month tax free for meal allowances etc. ( 6 weeks annual leave)
To earn that tax free is like earning about 21k pre tax. That takes it up to about $153832
Captains are working very hard at the moment so their allowances would probably be greater than that stated.
In three years time (now only 2 and a quarter) their salary, all going well with international flying and work rule changes, will be around the 156K to 157K mark, without allowances.
You mentioned that it was still 60K short of what QF earn, did you include allowances(overtime) or is a captian on a 737 earning 210 K base plus overtime? Or did you include in that summation?
I only ask because you didn't include it in VB's
Do Virgin Blue pilots get hot crew meals? Soggy sandwiches don't count as suitable in my book.
I gather there are no business class leftovers that are offered to QF crew.
Having suitable "free'" sustenance at work stretches your allowances.
Paying for your own food at an airport expensive. Bringing food from home inconvenient for a professional surely?
An often underestimated job perk the airline meal. If Virgin pilots don't get regular hot meals it is safe to shave a bit off their salaries in comparison to QF.
I gather there are no business class leftovers that are offered to QF crew.
Having suitable "free'" sustenance at work stretches your allowances.
Paying for your own food at an airport expensive. Bringing food from home inconvenient for a professional surely?
An often underestimated job perk the airline meal. If Virgin pilots don't get regular hot meals it is safe to shave a bit off their salaries in comparison to QF.
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It all looks good on paper until you taste the hot meal Gnadenburg 
As Graham Kennedy said in The Odd Angry Shot: "Fitters and Turners....You fit the food in the pot and turn it into sh!t"
That would be a fair description of QF Domestic catering at the present time.
The only thing you shave off by not having a hot meal is a few inches off your @rse
As Graham Kennedy said in The Odd Angry Shot: "Fitters and Turners....You fit the food in the pot and turn it into sh!t"
That would be a fair description of QF Domestic catering at the present time.
The only thing you shave off by not having a hot meal is a few inches off your @rse
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Soggy sandwiches
It might come as to you to learn that Japan's flag carrier (JAL) provides ONLY cold meals to their crews operating domestically.
Fortunately there is always a choice of Japanese or Western.
The Japanese box includes delicacies such as cold deep-fried potato croquettes, fried crumbed prawns, and/or fish - and of course a LARGE serve of cold glutinous (sticky) rice.
As an alternative, you may prefer the Western lunch box, which ALWAYS includes sandwiches, and often cold French (or Freedom, if you wish to suppot Dubya) fries, a half hamburger, or a slice of (cold) omlette.
Fortunately, in Oz good fruit is relatively inexpensive, and uncut can last for days in the nav bag.
Enjoy the life in Taiwan, E.P. - 10 days back in Oz each month wouldn't be long enough to get the pollution out of one's lungs, or the spit off your shoes.
They're getting you for a bargain price at only USD10.7k p.m. to live in that 5h!thole of a place!
It might come as
to you to learn that Japan's flag carrier (JAL) provides ONLY cold meals to their crews operating domestically.Fortunately there is always a choice of Japanese or Western.
The Japanese box includes delicacies such as cold deep-fried potato croquettes, fried crumbed prawns, and/or fish - and of course a LARGE serve of cold glutinous (sticky) rice.
As an alternative, you may prefer the Western lunch box, which ALWAYS includes sandwiches, and often cold French (or Freedom, if you wish to suppot Dubya) fries, a half hamburger, or a slice of (cold) omlette.
Fortunately, in Oz good fruit is relatively inexpensive, and uncut can last for days in the nav bag.
Enjoy the life in Taiwan, E.P. - 10 days back in Oz each month wouldn't be long enough to get the pollution out of one's lungs, or the spit off your shoes.
They're getting you for a bargain price at only USD10.7k p.m. to live in that 5h!thole of a place!
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Betedete, that remark was in reply to Keg saying the pressure was off the QFDom guys, because the pays were not that far apart, but they are.
A 737 line driver is currently on average 200K + ( and they get DTA, $3 odd an hour ), thats including doing " average " O/T a month, meal allowances are generally not used in calculating income as unless you sit in your room and eat baked beans, most of the allowance ( around $100 a day ) will be spent. If you are new to the overnite thing, as alot of VB crew are, then you could spend more than that.
So yes, 50 or 60K is a fair gap in my book.
A 737 line driver is currently on average 200K + ( and they get DTA, $3 odd an hour ), thats including doing " average " O/T a month, meal allowances are generally not used in calculating income as unless you sit in your room and eat baked beans, most of the allowance ( around $100 a day ) will be spent. If you are new to the overnite thing, as alot of VB crew are, then you could spend more than that.
So yes, 50 or 60K is a fair gap in my book.
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IWS, it's a fair gap in my book as well, but that's the way it is now and will always be until AA takeover alot more of QF's runs. (but that's another story)
My reply was only really directed at your assertion that VB get 150K per year in three years time, which is not really the case when you take into consideration all the allowances, as you did for QF pilots.
A VB pilot in three years time will be earning around 156K plus allowances, (which are not taxed).
Can you tell us all what a 737 captain at QF earns as a base salary before allowances, overtime and DTA? I've heard that they are on around 139K, not sure how accurate that is.
PS, the DTA that QF does get is actually around $4 per hour.
My reply was only really directed at your assertion that VB get 150K per year in three years time, which is not really the case when you take into consideration all the allowances, as you did for QF pilots.
A VB pilot in three years time will be earning around 156K plus allowances, (which are not taxed).
Can you tell us all what a 737 captain at QF earns as a base salary before allowances, overtime and DTA? I've heard that they are on around 139K, not sure how accurate that is.
PS, the DTA that QF does get is actually around $4 per hour.
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Why all the comparing salaries.
It is a bit like schoolboys comparing dicks at the urinal.
Are you happy to be paid what you are paid for the work you do?
It should be obvious that QF management would desperatley like to reduce the overtime component of the domestic pilot's salaries.
That would seem to me to present a problem for QF guys. But why would VB guys feel the need to justify what they earn. If you are happy with what you get then who gives a rats what someone else gets?
It is a bit like schoolboys comparing dicks at the urinal.
Are you happy to be paid what you are paid for the work you do?
It should be obvious that QF management would desperatley like to reduce the overtime component of the domestic pilot's salaries.
That would seem to me to present a problem for QF guys. But why would VB guys feel the need to justify what they earn. If you are happy with what you get then who gives a rats what someone else gets?
