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All I can say is that there are quite a few sweating on a Brisbane base and are hoping that expansion would mean that it would open as a base
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mppgf, gee, what did I say, a little bit of misinterpretation goes a long way. Oh well, least I won't continue this laughable defenciveness by personal attack like you and the others do. Your obviously the expert here on all things AD and regulatory wise so it's over to you to point out to everyone the real case.
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What did I say ?
Well Franky thats the stuff between the Quotation marks "......".
There is no misinterpretation.You painted yourself as the expert,all I have stated is that I know the facts regarding the 717.
I am unaware of "many problems" with the aircraft which would warrant AD's serious enough to shut down production.
So as I pointed out in my last post, your demand for specific details is turned right back at you.
The whole point of my objection to your posting rubbish, is the fact that there is no CASE.
As pointed out by FluffyBunnyFeet (I do love that user name). The problem with the EEC appears to have been isolated and software due out in March will hopefully solve this problem once and for all.
Anakin, I really don't think any of the redundant guy's or gal's would hold it against any of the crew lucky enough to have a flying job on the 717 currently, to have hopes of returning to a base that they were kicked out of a year ago.
Expansion would mean positions for these guy's and gals and I'm sure that is all that concerns them regarding the situation at this time.
I look forward to seeing them crewing the 717 in the near future and the Southerns 146 crews as I understand their positions at NJS are not permanent.
Well Franky thats the stuff between the Quotation marks "......".
There is no misinterpretation.You painted yourself as the expert,all I have stated is that I know the facts regarding the 717.
I am unaware of "many problems" with the aircraft which would warrant AD's serious enough to shut down production.
So as I pointed out in my last post, your demand for specific details is turned right back at you.
The whole point of my objection to your posting rubbish, is the fact that there is no CASE.
As pointed out by FluffyBunnyFeet (I do love that user name). The problem with the EEC appears to have been isolated and software due out in March will hopefully solve this problem once and for all.
Anakin, I really don't think any of the redundant guy's or gal's would hold it against any of the crew lucky enough to have a flying job on the 717 currently, to have hopes of returning to a base that they were kicked out of a year ago.
Expansion would mean positions for these guy's and gals and I'm sure that is all that concerns them regarding the situation at this time.
I look forward to seeing them crewing the 717 in the near future and the Southerns 146 crews as I understand their positions at NJS are not permanent.
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anakin,
This is becoming very interesting. Not that I should know but I was unaware that Pilots were layed off 'out' of seniority. I hope another Qantaslink company can help you guys and girls out.
Can I assume 'Impulse Cadets' with considerably less experience were promoted onto the 717?
Poor form Impulse / Airconnex whatever.....
This is becoming very interesting. Not that I should know but I was unaware that Pilots were layed off 'out' of seniority. I hope another Qantaslink company can help you guys and girls out.
Can I assume 'Impulse Cadets' with considerably less experience were promoted onto the 717?
Poor form Impulse / Airconnex whatever.....
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yes true hoss. Pilots were layed off out of order of seniority. Cadets were not to blame, It was the 1900 guy's that were told you must go because your only 1900. The 717 guy's employed after you as direct entry will stay on because they are more valueable.
But don't let me influence you as mppfg said (and he works there so he would know)they should be happy with those guy's right? Especially because seniority is so important now!!!
But don't let me influence you as mppfg said (and he works there so he would know)they should be happy with those guy's right? Especially because seniority is so important now!!!
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I think it's a pretty safe assumption to say that their major concern at the moment is securing a position on the 717.
While I totally disagree with the way the 1900 pilot's have been treated I don't believe every 717 crew member should have no other thought on their mind beside when the unfortunate redundant pilot's will be re-employed.
I said nothing about anybody having to be happy with the situation.Blaming the direct entry 717 crew members is ridiculous as they had no say in the matter at all.Just as the pilot's made redundant had no say.
Yes ! In my opinion seniority should be the RULE.
While I totally disagree with the way the 1900 pilot's have been treated I don't believe every 717 crew member should have no other thought on their mind beside when the unfortunate redundant pilot's will be re-employed.
I said nothing about anybody having to be happy with the situation.Blaming the direct entry 717 crew members is ridiculous as they had no say in the matter at all.Just as the pilot's made redundant had no say.
Yes ! In my opinion seniority should be the RULE.
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It's true that no 'out-of-seniority' laying off was done, at least to my knowledge. I can also understand the guys on the wrong side of that coin feeling miffed, but life does go on and issues other than their immediate employment concerns need to be addressed also. Their turn will come eventually, and hopefully it'll be a better workplace as a result.
Any anger should be addressed at the lamentable communication that continues to prevail ('tho this should be familiar to all) and the manufacturer of these tempramental EEC's who are probably the ultimate reason why further expansion has not already occurred... Until this issue is solved I wouldn't expect any good news.
Any anger should be addressed at the lamentable communication that continues to prevail ('tho this should be familiar to all) and the manufacturer of these tempramental EEC's who are probably the ultimate reason why further expansion has not already occurred... Until this issue is solved I wouldn't expect any good news.
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2daddies,
yes he's the one I'm writing about. I don't know the reason why more haven't gone that way.
I suspect that one reason might be that not all the redundant crew have expressed a desire to work for Eastern, which is fair enough. However, if they were interested they had to go through staffcv at the time as there was no automatic notification (maybe there should have been). Perhaps they weren't aware of that?
From memory, around 10 of the total number have been interviewed. Those that have, were given priority processing over other applicants back then.
It's not too late for the remainder to throw a hat in the ring if they haven't already. 2 days of interviews in Feb.
yes he's the one I'm writing about. I don't know the reason why more haven't gone that way.
I suspect that one reason might be that not all the redundant crew have expressed a desire to work for Eastern, which is fair enough. However, if they were interested they had to go through staffcv at the time as there was no automatic notification (maybe there should have been). Perhaps they weren't aware of that?
From memory, around 10 of the total number have been interviewed. Those that have, were given priority processing over other applicants back then.
It's not too late for the remainder to throw a hat in the ring if they haven't already. 2 days of interviews in Feb.
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Blaming the direct entry 717 crew members is ridiculous as they had no say in the matter at all.
Just a question that's all.
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Anakin
The EBA was ratified at the time and it gave them the thumbs up to do what they did. Had nothing to do with direct entries. Even if they had put their hands up the company wasn't going to throw $80 000 away with each one.
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The EBA was ratified at the time and it gave them the thumbs up to do what they did. Had nothing to do with direct entries. Even if they had put their hands up the company wasn't going to throw $80 000 away with each one.
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Anakin, In answer to your question.
I seriously doubt anybody in their position anywhere and in any job would put their hand up and as BMC said, it would have made no difference.
Your reference to check and trainers is incorrect.
People who were involved will tell you the pay rise issue was to do with captains getting a pay rise and yes it was at the expense of the first officers.It was supposed to be voted on by said captains but never was.
Rather it was pushed through by a person in power at the time.
I seriously doubt anybody in their position anywhere and in any job would put their hand up and as BMC said, it would have made no difference.
Your reference to check and trainers is incorrect.
People who were involved will tell you the pay rise issue was to do with captains getting a pay rise and yes it was at the expense of the first officers.It was supposed to be voted on by said captains but never was.
Rather it was pushed through by a person in power at the time.
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Getting back to the original topic of this thread - Impulse expansion, has anyone heard of any truth to the rumours of a possible Perth base. I know of a certain senior manager been seen over there recently and plenty of gossip around the traps, but nothing hard and fast...
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Congratulations to Matt. Hopefully now we'll see more of the redundant guys/ girl gain positions elsewhere in the Qantas group while the wait for the 717 continues.
Thanks for the words, Douglas. I look forward to it too.
Thanks for the words, Douglas. I look forward to it too.
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I have heard whispers of PER-ADL services (from a VQ pilot I spoke with). But that was no more than whispers.
On the YSSY board there is comment that 717s might be used on some SYD-CBR services. I find this doubtful however given the lack of business class.
On the YSSY board there is comment that 717s might be used on some SYD-CBR services. I find this doubtful however given the lack of business class.
