Qantas threat, man charged
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I've always been under the impression that it is illegal to board passengers whom are obviously intoxicated. No ifs or buts.
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Just reading this thread makes me glad up gave up the pax scene and became a "Freight Dog" 8 yrs ago. (sorta forced on me)
Pays nearly as well, coffee's OK and ye're we fix our own meals BUT we don't have to put up with these type of morons.
Here's a suggestion:
Sack all the ground handling idiots from check-in through
security to the gate mob, hire more freight handlers who
as you know do a DG and compliance course and I can say
it is extremely rare to have a screw up but it happens.
Then see if a pissed idiot can get to an aircraft.
THE FREIGHT HANDLERS KNOW IF THEY SCREW UP THEY WILL GET A HUGE ROCKET UP THE KYBER.
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Hand me another Guiness No. 1
Pays nearly as well, coffee's OK and ye're we fix our own meals BUT we don't have to put up with these type of morons.
Here's a suggestion:
Sack all the ground handling idiots from check-in through
security to the gate mob, hire more freight handlers who
as you know do a DG and compliance course and I can say
it is extremely rare to have a screw up but it happens.
Then see if a pissed idiot can get to an aircraft.
THE FREIGHT HANDLERS KNOW IF THEY SCREW UP THEY WILL GET A HUGE ROCKET UP THE KYBER.
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Hand me another Guiness No. 1
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Sentenced Reduced
Which with all the Bleeding Heart Judges, Magistrates was a monty to occur.
Sends a perfect message to the Pagans, Heathens and Barbarians bent on destroying our way of life how simplistic and ineffectual our security systems are.
MoFO
Then what is the role of a Sky Marshall? How effective is one going to be in an atmoshere where it is necessary to ensure we do not have to accept any responisibility for one's actions; have to ensure before law enforcement everyone's rights, that is except the victims, are protected?
And, why isn't this a place where the role of Sky Marshalls cannot be discussed?
Seems they are going to be pretty ineffectual against the determined and hardened terrorist?
Seems I remember we fought a war in recent times where the hands of our boys were tied behind their back and we lost!
However, we can always plead lack of sanity, excessive alcohol or drug use.
Sends a perfect message to the Pagans, Heathens and Barbarians bent on destroying our way of life how simplistic and ineffectual our security systems are.
MoFO
Then what is the role of a Sky Marshall? How effective is one going to be in an atmoshere where it is necessary to ensure we do not have to accept any responisibility for one's actions; have to ensure before law enforcement everyone's rights, that is except the victims, are protected?
And, why isn't this a place where the role of Sky Marshalls cannot be discussed?
Seems they are going to be pretty ineffectual against the determined and hardened terrorist?
Seems I remember we fought a war in recent times where the hands of our boys were tied behind their back and we lost!
However, we can always plead lack of sanity, excessive alcohol or drug use.
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AAP
Plane threat tourist freed
A British tourist jailed after threatening to hijack a plane has walked free amid concerns his imprisonment was a knee-jerk response post-September 11.
A Corrective Services Department spokesman said Thomas James Lilico, 22, a university tutor, was released from the Lotus Glen prison on the Atherton Tableland, in far north Queensland, today.
Lilico was the first person jailed in Australia since the 2001 September 11 terrorist attacks in the United States for making threatening comments aboard an aircraft.
Australian Council for Civil Liberties president Terry O'Gorman said there was a risk post-September 11 of unduly harsh punishment being imposed on people like Lilico.
"I do have a concern that post-September 11, there is the risk of a knee-jerk response to something that would otherwise be seen as silly, annoying but ... not harmful drunken behaviour," Mr O'Gorman told AAP.
Cairns Magistrate Ken Lynn earlier this month jailed Lilico for three months, to be suspended after a month, after he pleaded guilty to making threatening comments aboard an aircraft.
Mr Lynn was told a drunken Lilico was overheard by a flight attendant on Qantas flight 800 saying he was going to pull out a knife and hijack the plane.
The aircraft was preparing to leave Cairns for Darwin.
Evidence was given Lilico had pulled a blue roll-on deodorant tube from a small bag but had been asleep by the time protective services officers came to remove him from the plane.
Mr O'Gorman said discretion could have been used in the Lilico case.
"I think airlines have got to act with a little balance," he said.
"I think it's a different situation if that sort of a comment was made inflight.
"I think there's got to be a significant difference between the silly comments of a drunk compared with ... someone who makes a comment and there is evidence found that that comment had some seriousness behind it."
Lilico walked free after the Queensland Court of Appeal ordered his release.
Appeal court Justice Glen Williams said the custodial sentence was called for given the prevailing world circumstances but Lilico should be released considering his youth, character and exemplary background.
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AAP
Drunk NZ flyer attacks passengers
A drunken passenger has attacked and threatened to kill other travellers and crew aboard an Air New Zealand flight to Los Angeles, airline officials said.
The passenger is understood to have been restrained by crew aboard the flight, which was six hours out of Auckland when the incident happened earlier this week.
He was escorted off the plane by LA airport police when it landed and detained until FBI agents arrived.
Sgt Henry Acosta, of the LA airport police, told the New Zealand Herald the FBI later released the passenger, who was aged in his 30s.
Mr Acosta said no weapons were involved and no one was hurt.
"He was threatening to fight them and beat them up," he said.
"There were a lot of profanities and threats. I guess it is called air rage. The FBI did not believe it was serious enough to keep him in custody."
Air NZ spokeswoman Rosie Paul said such incidents happened "from time to time" in the aviation industry.
In this case, the cabin crew had not been serving the man alcohol, but he had been drinking his own, she told NZPA.
"The individual got quite irrational and crews are trained to deal with these situations," she said.
"It did not cause disruption to the flight other than verbal abuse, which is not terribly nice on a flight."
Ms Paul said the crew would have contained the man as much as possible until the aircraft landed in Los Angeles. The 747-400 jumbo then continued on to London as scheduled.
She said the matter was in the hands of the local police and the airline would not be laying charges.
However, if individuals who had been assaulted wanted to take legal action, the airline would support them.
İAAP 2003
Plane threat tourist freed
A British tourist jailed after threatening to hijack a plane has walked free amid concerns his imprisonment was a knee-jerk response post-September 11.
A Corrective Services Department spokesman said Thomas James Lilico, 22, a university tutor, was released from the Lotus Glen prison on the Atherton Tableland, in far north Queensland, today.
Lilico was the first person jailed in Australia since the 2001 September 11 terrorist attacks in the United States for making threatening comments aboard an aircraft.
Australian Council for Civil Liberties president Terry O'Gorman said there was a risk post-September 11 of unduly harsh punishment being imposed on people like Lilico.
"I do have a concern that post-September 11, there is the risk of a knee-jerk response to something that would otherwise be seen as silly, annoying but ... not harmful drunken behaviour," Mr O'Gorman told AAP.
Cairns Magistrate Ken Lynn earlier this month jailed Lilico for three months, to be suspended after a month, after he pleaded guilty to making threatening comments aboard an aircraft.
Mr Lynn was told a drunken Lilico was overheard by a flight attendant on Qantas flight 800 saying he was going to pull out a knife and hijack the plane.
The aircraft was preparing to leave Cairns for Darwin.
Evidence was given Lilico had pulled a blue roll-on deodorant tube from a small bag but had been asleep by the time protective services officers came to remove him from the plane.
Mr O'Gorman said discretion could have been used in the Lilico case.
"I think airlines have got to act with a little balance," he said.
"I think it's a different situation if that sort of a comment was made inflight.
"I think there's got to be a significant difference between the silly comments of a drunk compared with ... someone who makes a comment and there is evidence found that that comment had some seriousness behind it."
Lilico walked free after the Queensland Court of Appeal ordered his release.
Appeal court Justice Glen Williams said the custodial sentence was called for given the prevailing world circumstances but Lilico should be released considering his youth, character and exemplary background.
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AAP
Drunk NZ flyer attacks passengers
A drunken passenger has attacked and threatened to kill other travellers and crew aboard an Air New Zealand flight to Los Angeles, airline officials said.
The passenger is understood to have been restrained by crew aboard the flight, which was six hours out of Auckland when the incident happened earlier this week.
He was escorted off the plane by LA airport police when it landed and detained until FBI agents arrived.
Sgt Henry Acosta, of the LA airport police, told the New Zealand Herald the FBI later released the passenger, who was aged in his 30s.
Mr Acosta said no weapons were involved and no one was hurt.
"He was threatening to fight them and beat them up," he said.
"There were a lot of profanities and threats. I guess it is called air rage. The FBI did not believe it was serious enough to keep him in custody."
Air NZ spokeswoman Rosie Paul said such incidents happened "from time to time" in the aviation industry.
In this case, the cabin crew had not been serving the man alcohol, but he had been drinking his own, she told NZPA.
"The individual got quite irrational and crews are trained to deal with these situations," she said.
"It did not cause disruption to the flight other than verbal abuse, which is not terribly nice on a flight."
Ms Paul said the crew would have contained the man as much as possible until the aircraft landed in Los Angeles. The 747-400 jumbo then continued on to London as scheduled.
She said the matter was in the hands of the local police and the airline would not be laying charges.
However, if individuals who had been assaulted wanted to take legal action, the airline would support them.
İAAP 2003
QUESTION
If a flight attendant reported to you as Captain that a drunk passenger down the back made a stupid comment about hijacking bombs etc, say he was with hhis mates and it was fairly obvious he was just playing the idiot, what would you do?
Do you think there would be repercussions if you just had a quiet word with him and he seemed to accept that it was stupid thing to say of would you have the "Feds" waiting armed and ready to wrestle him to the ground and cart him off to a high security prison?
Do you think there would be repercussions if you just had a quiet word with him and he seemed to accept that it was stupid thing to say of would you have the "Feds" waiting armed and ready to wrestle him to the ground and cart him off to a high security prison?
