Ex-AN drivers taken for a ride???
So the one identifiable individual who is doing the wrong thing is a PRE 89er, but we'll just hijack the thread and turn it into YET ANOTHER POST 89er bashing shall we?
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"Blinkers -ON" Wiz? Bit of a pot and kettle situation between you and Spad from where I'm sitting. And far from hijacking the thread, I think Spad's comments are relevant to this situation given the pilos Gilligan's attempting to use in his foray into Air Nauru.
There's no question that this Gilligan bloke is punching well below the belt in his dealings with Air Nauru, but you can't ignore the fact that his choice of weapons has history on its side. Those weapons have proven they will work to order under similar circumstances already, so he's attempting to use them again.
Anyone who thinks a situation like this is cut and dried should get the old Mel Gibson / Sissy Spacek movie out from the video rental shop - I think it was "Coal Miner's Daughter", where Mel blacklegs to feed his family, knowing it was the wrong thing to do. but out of sheer desperation doing it anyway. At least Mel's character didn't try to rationalise his actions when the workers got back in and he and his mates had to 'walk the walk' through the strikers' wives.
There's no question that this Gilligan bloke is punching well below the belt in his dealings with Air Nauru, but you can't ignore the fact that his choice of weapons has history on its side. Those weapons have proven they will work to order under similar circumstances already, so he's attempting to use them again.
Anyone who thinks a situation like this is cut and dried should get the old Mel Gibson / Sissy Spacek movie out from the video rental shop - I think it was "Coal Miner's Daughter", where Mel blacklegs to feed his family, knowing it was the wrong thing to do. but out of sheer desperation doing it anyway. At least Mel's character didn't try to rationalise his actions when the workers got back in and he and his mates had to 'walk the walk' through the strikers' wives.
Histrionic comparisons with Mel Gibson??? (I?fm Taller!)
This thread was started as a warning that a PRE `89 EX AFAP pilot was actively seeking to do a very dubious thing, and was POSSIBLY intending to offer jobs to some Ex AN guys. No specific group was mentioned (many suitably qualified AN Captains fall outside the contentious date range) but what happens? Out pops the marching band using yet another pre text to trot out the same old vitriol.
Tar everyone in one group with the same brush, but quietly distance yourself from the miss deeds of one of the group you constantly imply are virtuous and beyond reproach.
Shame none of you got into politics...
This thread was started as a warning that a PRE `89 EX AFAP pilot was actively seeking to do a very dubious thing, and was POSSIBLY intending to offer jobs to some Ex AN guys. No specific group was mentioned (many suitably qualified AN Captains fall outside the contentious date range) but what happens? Out pops the marching band using yet another pre text to trot out the same old vitriol.
Tar everyone in one group with the same brush, but quietly distance yourself from the miss deeds of one of the group you constantly imply are virtuous and beyond reproach.
Shame none of you got into politics...
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"One bad apple doesn`t spoil the whole bunch", Wiz, and no-one has attempted to refute that Gilligan was a non-returnee during the Dispute.
However, those ex-AN captains he chose to use as the "tool" for his personal revenge DID have a past history of scabbing - that sure as hell places THEM in one specific group.
"So the one identifiable individual who is doing the wrong thing is a PRE 89er.".
No, the others KNEW what they would be expected to do - try to undercut the entire group (of expats) currently with Air Nauru, and put them on the street. Delightful individuals.
I`m sure that their identities are no secret to YOU, Wiz, and to the guys they intended shafting.
FYI, a list of the current locations, and employers of ALL recent ex-AN pilots was circulated about a month or so ago.
If you are saying that you have heard that there were other post-Dispute "cleanskin" Captains who wanted to be involved in trying to steal jobs away from the incumbants out there, then shame on them.
If true, then it was probably because of their unfortunate association with the dyed-in-the-wool scabs, over the past 13 - (or should we make that 14, now) years.
Kwaj mate, I don`t quite get your statement, "The act of the airline paying tax bills for Australian residents generates even higher income levels, including FBT; and that will make the ATO assessments very interesting.
Gross salary = Net salary + tax (if taxation is liable).
That`s pretty much the way MOST companies work - deduct the tax for the employee, and pay it to the Government on behalf of the worker.
However, those ex-AN captains he chose to use as the "tool" for his personal revenge DID have a past history of scabbing - that sure as hell places THEM in one specific group.
"So the one identifiable individual who is doing the wrong thing is a PRE 89er.".
No, the others KNEW what they would be expected to do - try to undercut the entire group (of expats) currently with Air Nauru, and put them on the street. Delightful individuals.
I`m sure that their identities are no secret to YOU, Wiz, and to the guys they intended shafting.
FYI, a list of the current locations, and employers of ALL recent ex-AN pilots was circulated about a month or so ago.
If you are saying that you have heard that there were other post-Dispute "cleanskin" Captains who wanted to be involved in trying to steal jobs away from the incumbants out there, then shame on them.
If true, then it was probably because of their unfortunate association with the dyed-in-the-wool scabs, over the past 13 - (or should we make that 14, now) years.
Kwaj mate, I don`t quite get your statement, "The act of the airline paying tax bills for Australian residents generates even higher income levels, including FBT; and that will make the ATO assessments very interesting.
Gross salary = Net salary + tax (if taxation is liable).
That`s pretty much the way MOST companies work - deduct the tax for the employee, and pay it to the Government on behalf of the worker.
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Spad.
It may sound unusual that I use that tense in my former posting as I do believe that it may be a reality judging by history and seeing the individuals involved.
What does sicken me to my bones is that some people would gladly prostitute themselves so freely, degrade themselves without any shame and wilfully put others out of a job and place other families in the poverty line with absolutely no hesitiation.
I suppose it takes a particular disgusting individual that gives genetic sludge its true meaning.
Sure some people have families to feed but I would rather do it hard than place others on the poverty line by prostituting myself and for what?
A bloody meagre percentage of the former pay and the chance to yet again denigrate the pay and conditions of pilots around the world?
I would love to see one individual come straight out on this forum and say that they agree with such a practice.
Any takers ladies and gents or should I say anyone so bold, stupid and totally lacking in moral fibre and character?
It may sound unusual that I use that tense in my former posting as I do believe that it may be a reality judging by history and seeing the individuals involved.
What does sicken me to my bones is that some people would gladly prostitute themselves so freely, degrade themselves without any shame and wilfully put others out of a job and place other families in the poverty line with absolutely no hesitiation.
I suppose it takes a particular disgusting individual that gives genetic sludge its true meaning.
Sure some people have families to feed but I would rather do it hard than place others on the poverty line by prostituting myself and for what?
A bloody meagre percentage of the former pay and the chance to yet again denigrate the pay and conditions of pilots around the world?
I would love to see one individual come straight out on this forum and say that they agree with such a practice.
Any takers ladies and gents or should I say anyone so bold, stupid and totally lacking in moral fibre and character?
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Does anyone know if any ex AN pilots are actually going to do this? I have asked around the AN drivers and nobody has heard anything (or they aren't admitting to it). Most of the 737 AN pilots have now found work anyway.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Your second, bracketed option...or they aren't admitting to it...has an all too familiar ring to it, EPIRB, based on the past, infamous history of the characters involved. 
So, to re-iterate, not ONE post '89 pilot has been identified as being involved in this, the ONLY character we know of just happens to be, apparently, the ONLY pre-loved who isn't related to Mother Teresa, but we'll just turn the thread into a bashing sesion anyway?
Still, if there ARE recent ex- Ansett guys having their careers ruined by listening to AFAP types, perhaps history IS repeating itself!
Still, if there ARE recent ex- Ansett guys having their careers ruined by listening to AFAP types, perhaps history IS repeating itself!
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Err, TIMMEEEE, just so there’s absolutely no confusion here, I had my tongue so far into my cheek in that last post that it was in the ear of the bloke in the seat next to me.
I was attempting some (I thought) not s subtle irony in mentioning how some of the very ‘gentlemen’ who ‘Gilligan’ appears to be targeting as potential contractors/employees, (and who you describe as ‘genetic sludge’), have used the ‘I had to do it for my family’ as the all-forgiving excuse for doing something very similar some unmentionable number of years ago. Some of them even flew half way around the world to do so, and became ‘true blue (blew?) Aussies’ into the bargain thanks to Bob’ork’s rather lose interpretation of what constitutes a political refugee when he granted the same (to use your word again) ‘genetic sludge’ permanent Australian residence.
Some of think that the difference between what these people did then and what some of the same people MIGHT do if 'Gilligan' succeeds in his very dubious venture now is a bit like the diffreence between being a 'little bit pregnant' and 'very pregnant' - ie, no difference at all.
I was attempting some (I thought) not s subtle irony in mentioning how some of the very ‘gentlemen’ who ‘Gilligan’ appears to be targeting as potential contractors/employees, (and who you describe as ‘genetic sludge’), have used the ‘I had to do it for my family’ as the all-forgiving excuse for doing something very similar some unmentionable number of years ago. Some of them even flew half way around the world to do so, and became ‘true blue (blew?) Aussies’ into the bargain thanks to Bob’ork’s rather lose interpretation of what constitutes a political refugee when he granted the same (to use your word again) ‘genetic sludge’ permanent Australian residence.
Some of think that the difference between what these people did then and what some of the same people MIGHT do if 'Gilligan' succeeds in his very dubious venture now is a bit like the diffreence between being a 'little bit pregnant' and 'very pregnant' - ie, no difference at all.
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Spad I stand by my previous posting.
Both Gilligan and whoever he recruits are in my mind genetic sludge to coin a phrase because thats what you'd have to be to undercut those actually peacefully employed and then put them on the street.
The big difference here Spad is that these people are happily employed and along comes this scum saying both he and his cohorts will undercut what the employer already thinks is fair and reasonable - thereby rendering those current employees jobless in whats currently the worst economic period in aviation history post WWII.
What's even worse is that Gilligan will be recruiting those that not only took his own job some years hence but that these other individuals will repeat the process yet again!!!!
There should be a descriptive term for someone that low on the food chain of life.
Both Gilligan and whoever he recruits are in my mind genetic sludge to coin a phrase because thats what you'd have to be to undercut those actually peacefully employed and then put them on the street.
The big difference here Spad is that these people are happily employed and along comes this scum saying both he and his cohorts will undercut what the employer already thinks is fair and reasonable - thereby rendering those current employees jobless in whats currently the worst economic period in aviation history post WWII.
What's even worse is that Gilligan will be recruiting those that not only took his own job some years hence but that these other individuals will repeat the process yet again!!!!
There should be a descriptive term for someone that low on the food chain of life.
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Ex Ansett 767
Hey guess what the latest gossip is? Air Nauru, after thoughts of getting an -800, have shelved that idea and are going instead for an ex Ansett 767, apparently at the same cost......hmmmm I wonder who'll be flying it??? Any thoughts?.....
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Ansett drivers?
That was unnecessarily harsh, busterhymen. Are you like that by default?? Me thinks that the cheapest option, and being a bankrupt country, Nauru would do the unthinkable and hire ex-Ansett drivers and make the incumbents redundant,...under the guidance of Gilligan......only speculting off cours. But it is a worry.
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Even for average operating cost the 767 would be dearer.
It has a capacity not much higher than an 800, the ANC's are much greater, the fuel burn significantly higher, the maintenance much much higher (being old buckets) and the crewing costs higher.
On a seat per km basis the 800 is miles in front...
It has a capacity not much higher than an 800, the ANC's are much greater, the fuel burn significantly higher, the maintenance much much higher (being old buckets) and the crewing costs higher.
On a seat per km basis the 800 is miles in front...