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I'm cool thanks Frank. I would've used a different smilie if I was otherwise...
Never mind the Singaporeans not trusting the Fed Pollies, none of us do either!
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Here's some more boring moronic comments for your edification, supposing that in your apathy towards what happens around you, you are able to distinguish between them and reality.
I may well have an opinion on many matters, but I always put them clearly and honestly, I am always prepared to defend them, do so without rancour and I do not recall having to resort to terms like "moron" even "slug", or being personally offensive to make a point.
This Forum is supposed to be about exchanging views and getting to the bottom of matters of interest, humbug, intelectual laziness doesn't usually last the distance.
BTW I personally don't care if the whole of QF feel that way, name calling is, nonetheless, a pretty weak mode of expression. Most children usually grow out of it by Year 9 or so.
You called the "racist" card my friend, pretty slick and cogent argument eh, but I suspect that you might think your "challenge" passes for intelligent and intellectual discussion, there is, actually, a difference if you took time out from your terminal ennui, to find out what it is.
I do not need to "qualify" a view, simply put it, whether you agree or not is your prerogative, as is whether you are able to, or interested in putting up an alternative argument in rebuttal, beyond the usual intelectually lazy and bankrupt slur.
If it so boring and too hard simply ignore it.
You may also have a difficulty with the knowledge that the venerable LKY himself, refers to his fellow countrymen as 'Chinamen', 'Indians' and 'Malays', makes a level headed and pragmatic differentiation between each of them and Australians as well as having a very keen understanding of their cultural differences. Which is also one of the reasons for his stunning successes in controlling his Island State.
So of course that makes him, in your view, a racist as well.
You are my friend suffering from what Frank Devine, the well respected Australian journalist has come to call Coercive Sanction as the correct definition for what most lazy thinkers call Political Correctness.
SQ; you may be dissapointed to learn I have much more than a passing knowledge of how they came to be where they are and why they are trapped in their present paradigm. Succesful yes, but as all businesses eventually find out, getting there may be hard but staying there is many many orders of magnitude harder.
You eventually have to form alliances, to do so there has to be mutual respect and trust. They have yet, much to learn about both.
You are right, they don't trust our Government because they don't/can't trust themselves. If there is a Government they could and should trust it is an Australian one, especially the current one. You have to know what trust is, to be able to give it at a national level and that requires a level of National maturity that may not yet exist.
Have you gone to sleep yet.
Touch a nerve about 'war' did I.
I must admit I did "mistake" your 'nic' for the "Martin" version as your demeanour in the post was similar to his and not one that I would have attributed to the very fine and eponymous "frank" version.
Hmmm, if you feel that it is necessary to have a "my family is more distinguished than yours" contest.
Try this;
I also come from a very undistinguished military family with Anzacs, Diggers and Air Force scattered about, difference is they wish to remain undistinguished, having the view that they, like the vast majority of them, did what was necessary and got on with the rest of their lives without fanfare or attention.
Unless I had done likewise, I could not bask in the reflection of their glory or even felt it was necessary to mention it.
It was their achievement not mine, I am proud of them yes, but it was their sacrifice, to which I cannot make any personal claim.
I found out recently, quite by chance, of some fairly serious "commendations" awarded to my father and some close friends, that he, or his close friends, had not found necessary to mention, never, ever, not once in the 56 years that I have known them all.
But then you wont be checking this post or will you.
Either way, put up constructive intelligent and intelectually rigorous argument in debate or shut up. And that's as offensive as I've ever been in a post, it must be catching.
Now this moron is going off to have that glass of wine.
Here's some more boring moronic comments for your edification, supposing that in your apathy towards what happens around you, you are able to distinguish between them and reality.
I may well have an opinion on many matters, but I always put them clearly and honestly, I am always prepared to defend them, do so without rancour and I do not recall having to resort to terms like "moron" even "slug", or being personally offensive to make a point.
This Forum is supposed to be about exchanging views and getting to the bottom of matters of interest, humbug, intelectual laziness doesn't usually last the distance.
BTW I personally don't care if the whole of QF feel that way, name calling is, nonetheless, a pretty weak mode of expression. Most children usually grow out of it by Year 9 or so.
You called the "racist" card my friend, pretty slick and cogent argument eh, but I suspect that you might think your "challenge" passes for intelligent and intellectual discussion, there is, actually, a difference if you took time out from your terminal ennui, to find out what it is.
I do not need to "qualify" a view, simply put it, whether you agree or not is your prerogative, as is whether you are able to, or interested in putting up an alternative argument in rebuttal, beyond the usual intelectually lazy and bankrupt slur.
If it so boring and too hard simply ignore it.
You may also have a difficulty with the knowledge that the venerable LKY himself, refers to his fellow countrymen as 'Chinamen', 'Indians' and 'Malays', makes a level headed and pragmatic differentiation between each of them and Australians as well as having a very keen understanding of their cultural differences. Which is also one of the reasons for his stunning successes in controlling his Island State.
So of course that makes him, in your view, a racist as well.
You are my friend suffering from what Frank Devine, the well respected Australian journalist has come to call Coercive Sanction as the correct definition for what most lazy thinkers call Political Correctness.
SQ; you may be dissapointed to learn I have much more than a passing knowledge of how they came to be where they are and why they are trapped in their present paradigm. Succesful yes, but as all businesses eventually find out, getting there may be hard but staying there is many many orders of magnitude harder.
You eventually have to form alliances, to do so there has to be mutual respect and trust. They have yet, much to learn about both.
You are right, they don't trust our Government because they don't/can't trust themselves. If there is a Government they could and should trust it is an Australian one, especially the current one. You have to know what trust is, to be able to give it at a national level and that requires a level of National maturity that may not yet exist.
Have you gone to sleep yet.
Touch a nerve about 'war' did I.
I must admit I did "mistake" your 'nic' for the "Martin" version as your demeanour in the post was similar to his and not one that I would have attributed to the very fine and eponymous "frank" version.
Hmmm, if you feel that it is necessary to have a "my family is more distinguished than yours" contest.
Try this;
I also come from a very undistinguished military family with Anzacs, Diggers and Air Force scattered about, difference is they wish to remain undistinguished, having the view that they, like the vast majority of them, did what was necessary and got on with the rest of their lives without fanfare or attention.
Unless I had done likewise, I could not bask in the reflection of their glory or even felt it was necessary to mention it.
It was their achievement not mine, I am proud of them yes, but it was their sacrifice, to which I cannot make any personal claim.
I found out recently, quite by chance, of some fairly serious "commendations" awarded to my father and some close friends, that he, or his close friends, had not found necessary to mention, never, ever, not once in the 56 years that I have known them all.
But then you wont be checking this post or will you.
Either way, put up constructive intelligent and intelectually rigorous argument in debate or shut up. And that's as offensive as I've ever been in a post, it must be catching.
Now this moron is going off to have that glass of wine.
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You go and have that wine *****. I really do think you need it.
He may be a pain in the you know where sometimes, and anyone who has been around for a bit won't have too much trouble guessing who he may or may not be, but he has chosen to use an anonymous title and as such he is entitled to the same anonymity as you have chosen to use.
You would do well to respect that.
We dont use names around here without the express permission of the user, the penalty for which is 8 points.
W
He may be a pain in the you know where sometimes, and anyone who has been around for a bit won't have too much trouble guessing who he may or may not be, but he has chosen to use an anonymous title and as such he is entitled to the same anonymity as you have chosen to use.
You would do well to respect that.
We dont use names around here without the express permission of the user, the penalty for which is 8 points.
W
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