Virgin-Your taxi speeds are a JOKE!
Laydown
My reference to Rome best summed up by " You are braver man than I Gunga Din".
In this instance, best described as tarmac aggression, a QF 747 was doing significantly greater than 30kts. I did not question the crews airmanship, just felt in light of Rome that the common QF practice of aggressive tarmac jockying may subside.
Not sure if the following QF tarmac aggression incident urban myth but feel free to shoot me down. Ansett flight management was aware of the practice, and we were unofficially warned that any Le Mans style, airport racing with QF aircraft would be frowned upon. Anyway, Chief Pilot taxies for Melbourne 34 and out nowhere comes a QF Boeing. Whistled past on the parallel taxiway but in his ensueing scramble, forgot to set his flaps for take-off and aborted early in the roll!
Back to our slow taxiing friend at VB. I think I would prefer to be in his aircraft than a QF aircraft hell bent on beating everyone to the holding point!
My reference to Rome best summed up by " You are braver man than I Gunga Din".
In this instance, best described as tarmac aggression, a QF 747 was doing significantly greater than 30kts. I did not question the crews airmanship, just felt in light of Rome that the common QF practice of aggressive tarmac jockying may subside.
Not sure if the following QF tarmac aggression incident urban myth but feel free to shoot me down. Ansett flight management was aware of the practice, and we were unofficially warned that any Le Mans style, airport racing with QF aircraft would be frowned upon. Anyway, Chief Pilot taxies for Melbourne 34 and out nowhere comes a QF Boeing. Whistled past on the parallel taxiway but in his ensueing scramble, forgot to set his flaps for take-off and aborted early in the roll!
Back to our slow taxiing friend at VB. I think I would prefer to be in his aircraft than a QF aircraft hell bent on beating everyone to the holding point!
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Imagine what it would be like at a lot of airports in the U.S. where you've got GA traffic like Cessna 172's taxiing around as well....
I fly out of a Class B where in winter the winds switch around occasionally to that 1/10th of the time that the heavies have to trundle over past the GA side of the airport. It's always a real-eyeopener for pax
when you're taking a friend out for a joy flight in something like a 172 and when you're doing your runup, a JAL 747 trundles past with 4 engines spooling 
I came in last Thursday and was sitting behind a 172 waiting to make a call to ground and had a 767 right behind me.
I fly out of a Class B where in winter the winds switch around occasionally to that 1/10th of the time that the heavies have to trundle over past the GA side of the airport. It's always a real-eyeopener for pax
when you're taking a friend out for a joy flight in something like a 172 and when you're doing your runup, a JAL 747 trundles past with 4 engines spooling I came in last Thursday and was sitting behind a 172 waiting to make a call to ground and had a 767 right behind me.
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Bronte's profile explains his aggression towards DJ.
A320 FO!!
So when did you miss out on DJ Bronte?? (I know you will deny this, perhaps your right)
Did you feel you "deserved" a job at DJ because of your 6000hrs on jets? (is that all?)
There's lots of guys with double that waiting for a start with DJ.
Settle down a bit mate, it's not good for your blood pressure!
A320 FO!!
So when did you miss out on DJ Bronte?? (I know you will deny this, perhaps your right)
Did you feel you "deserved" a job at DJ because of your 6000hrs on jets? (is that all?)
There's lots of guys with double that waiting for a start with DJ.
Settle down a bit mate, it's not good for your blood pressure!
Clarence
Silly post, but as a former A320 F/O, I will reply.
Virgin Blue does not interview many ex AN A320 pilots. For whatever reason, their perrogitive respected. Maybe a few made Kluxes of themselves on interview, maybe they think they will run off to the first lucrative A320 job offer abroad.
I understand a number of exAN A320 pilots now have their commands at Virgin.
I here Virgin happy with their exAnsett pilots too.
But some from jet background abroad are as bigger whingers at Virgin as they were at ......
Perrogitives change, hope your not from that big airline that turns out all those whingers!
Silly post, but as a former A320 F/O, I will reply.
Virgin Blue does not interview many ex AN A320 pilots. For whatever reason, their perrogitive respected. Maybe a few made Kluxes of themselves on interview, maybe they think they will run off to the first lucrative A320 job offer abroad.
I understand a number of exAN A320 pilots now have their commands at Virgin.
I here Virgin happy with their exAnsett pilots too.
But some from jet background abroad are as bigger whingers at Virgin as they were at ......
Perrogitives change, hope your not from that big airline that turns out all those whingers!
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well put buddy keep up the good posts. these guys turn a comment in to such a bitch and **** fight. pprune is becoming such place for a few to vent their pissy views because they have no mates to go to the pub and argue with. wa$%ers.
got to
avagobro
well put buddy keep up the good posts. these guys turn a comment in to such a bitch and **** fight. pprune is becoming such place for a few to vent their pissy views because they have no mates to go to the pub and argue with. wa$%ers.
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I've got to admit, this post was a semi-wind up and I'm quite happy with its progress! But my god, it seems I share the skies (and taxiways) with a bunch of cautious old grandmas! Jets such as the 737 are designed to, and should be, taxied at a safe and NORMAL (sorry-couldn't think of a better word) speed.
On the serious side, I was hoping to get a response from some virgins, it seems that none of them want to answer the question. Maybe they are restriced by the company to crawl around delaying everyone eles, I don't know.
Clarance, no I have not applied to DJ. I will not work for that kind of money, after FreedomAir, they are the lowest paid 737 pilots in existance. I'm better than that.
Merry Xmas to all. (even to the kiwis
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On the serious side, I was hoping to get a response from some virgins, it seems that none of them want to answer the question. Maybe they are restriced by the company to crawl around delaying everyone eles, I don't know.
Clarance, no I have not applied to DJ. I will not work for that kind of money, after FreedomAir, they are the lowest paid 737 pilots in existance. I'm better than that.
Merry Xmas to all. (even to the kiwis
)
short flights long nights
Whats the rush? Slow is best. Girls have time to get ready, pax have a smooth ride and we have more time to "prepare" in the flight deck. And at the end of the day, you dont make up any time taxying fast, but if you are going too fast (our SOP 25kt max) and hit something, well please kindly explain
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Bronte,
My considerations when taxiing a B737 around are:
1. Safety;
2. Comfort;
3. SOPs & Boeing Specifications; and
4. Efficiency.
Safety is a fairly obvious one.
Comfort means that of the crew and passengers.
Item 3 refers to those requirements laid down in the ops manual and FCTM about cornering, straight taxiing, etc.
Efficiency is a lot more subjective. I consider how far to the holding point, how far through the safety brief the cabin crew are, the volume of traffic in front (whether airborne or taxiing), our own flightdeck procedures, ATC instructions, and the route by which we need to go. I would rather not let the aircraft come to a complete stop as it means setting the brake and then a good fistful of power to get going again.
I also try to consider the other traffic taxiing around the airport with us. While I don't intentionally try to impede other users, their taxy speeds behind me are not my priority. By considering other traffic, I mean not obstructing intersections, allowing space for other users around us, turning off taxi lights when pointing at the other aircrafts flightdeck, etc.
If you're suggesting a lack of professional courtesy or situational awareness or just rudeness, you're mistaken.
My considerations when taxiing a B737 around are:
1. Safety;
2. Comfort;
3. SOPs & Boeing Specifications; and
4. Efficiency.
Safety is a fairly obvious one.
Comfort means that of the crew and passengers.
Item 3 refers to those requirements laid down in the ops manual and FCTM about cornering, straight taxiing, etc.
Efficiency is a lot more subjective. I consider how far to the holding point, how far through the safety brief the cabin crew are, the volume of traffic in front (whether airborne or taxiing), our own flightdeck procedures, ATC instructions, and the route by which we need to go. I would rather not let the aircraft come to a complete stop as it means setting the brake and then a good fistful of power to get going again.
I also try to consider the other traffic taxiing around the airport with us. While I don't intentionally try to impede other users, their taxy speeds behind me are not my priority. By considering other traffic, I mean not obstructing intersections, allowing space for other users around us, turning off taxi lights when pointing at the other aircrafts flightdeck, etc.
If you're suggesting a lack of professional courtesy or situational awareness or just rudeness, you're mistaken.
Good to See
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Think you're doing the "right thing" by taxi-ing fast? Read the following (abbreviated) report:
Synopsis
On August 29, 2000, Japan Airlines (JAL) flight JL791, a Boeing 747-200B, Japanese registration JA8161, landed at Shangai PuDong International Airport, Shanghai P.R.C. at 11:50 (Beijing local time) having departed from Narita International Airport, at 09:20. The airplane's righthand wingtip hit the floodlight post at 11:53 at parking lot 208 during taxi-ing to the gate 19 after landing. The righthand wingtip was broken and cut off. No injuries were reported.
The Crew Factors
The pilot who conducted the taxi didn't observe the obstacle around and the marks on ground during his taxi-ing to the gate, while the other crew members also didn't have a good sense of situational awareness.
There is no guidance line from parking lot 208 to gate 19. The crew should stop immediately if there is no guidance line which could have been followed when the aircraft approached the parking lot 208, but he continued his taxi-ing blindly and turned left, which caused the airplane wing tip to hit the floodlight post.
The taxi speed at turning of the airplane at the time of hitting, exceeded the Boeing operation standard for the taxi speed of less than 10 knots. The actual taxi speed at turning of the airplane was 11 knots
Moving right to the end of the report.
The Airport Factor
The airport authority didn't provide the information of the additional guidance line in the appropriate aeronautical information publication or to the air traffic service unit after the marks had been painted on the apron.
Conclusion
The investigative team determined that the aircraft accident was caused by the crew human error.
Safety Recommendation
The pilots of JAL shall enforce their pre-flight preparation. JAL shall enforce the CRM and situational awareness trainess.
The Shanghai PuDong International Airport shall repaint and renumber the taxiway for the convenience of the ATC instruction and crew taxi-ing, box all the parking lot numbers on the apron with black frame for easier identification.
The Shanghai PuDong International Airport shall paint new guidance lines to each parking lot and clean all the former guidance lines leading to parking lots 201 through 211.
The airport authority shall provide the information concerning any instructions of marking changes on the apron to the relevant units.
The Shanghai PuDong International Airport shall remove all the floodlight posts along the parking lots 201 through211.
As you see, the REAL cause of the above accident was lack of/incorrect taxi line markings, and the lights being located too closely to the taxi-way. However, as usual, the crew cop the blame.
Synopsis
On August 29, 2000, Japan Airlines (JAL) flight JL791, a Boeing 747-200B, Japanese registration JA8161, landed at Shangai PuDong International Airport, Shanghai P.R.C. at 11:50 (Beijing local time) having departed from Narita International Airport, at 09:20. The airplane's righthand wingtip hit the floodlight post at 11:53 at parking lot 208 during taxi-ing to the gate 19 after landing. The righthand wingtip was broken and cut off. No injuries were reported.
The Crew Factors
The pilot who conducted the taxi didn't observe the obstacle around and the marks on ground during his taxi-ing to the gate, while the other crew members also didn't have a good sense of situational awareness.
There is no guidance line from parking lot 208 to gate 19. The crew should stop immediately if there is no guidance line which could have been followed when the aircraft approached the parking lot 208, but he continued his taxi-ing blindly and turned left, which caused the airplane wing tip to hit the floodlight post.
The taxi speed at turning of the airplane at the time of hitting, exceeded the Boeing operation standard for the taxi speed of less than 10 knots. The actual taxi speed at turning of the airplane was 11 knots
Moving right to the end of the report.
The Airport Factor
The airport authority didn't provide the information of the additional guidance line in the appropriate aeronautical information publication or to the air traffic service unit after the marks had been painted on the apron.
Conclusion
The investigative team determined that the aircraft accident was caused by the crew human error.
Safety Recommendation
The pilots of JAL shall enforce their pre-flight preparation. JAL shall enforce the CRM and situational awareness trainess.
The Shanghai PuDong International Airport shall repaint and renumber the taxiway for the convenience of the ATC instruction and crew taxi-ing, box all the parking lot numbers on the apron with black frame for easier identification.
The Shanghai PuDong International Airport shall paint new guidance lines to each parking lot and clean all the former guidance lines leading to parking lots 201 through 211.
The airport authority shall provide the information concerning any instructions of marking changes on the apron to the relevant units.
The Shanghai PuDong International Airport shall remove all the floodlight posts along the parking lots 201 through211.
As you see, the REAL cause of the above accident was lack of/incorrect taxi line markings, and the lights being located too closely to the taxi-way. However, as usual, the crew cop the blame.
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Careful M. Our learned friend would surely not comprehend a post amounting to factual common sense and rule abrogation. He's got 6000 hrs on jets so there is nothing we can tell him that will amount to any further aversion of his distorted veiws.
He has cleverly wound this thing up from nothing. Virgin taxy speeds are as normal as they are anywhere else in the world. However our learned friend having not worked in other countries has a minimalist , blinkered appreciation of the big picture. He obviously has not got a clue what he is talking about, but the trick is not to get lured by his vacuous comments.
Fellow EMPLOYED collegues, try not to let this (out of work for obvious reasons) clown impact on your better judgement. He will never fly your brand new a/c and this is obviously a festering cyst under the skin of rationale. He'll get over it one day.
He has cleverly wound this thing up from nothing. Virgin taxy speeds are as normal as they are anywhere else in the world. However our learned friend having not worked in other countries has a minimalist , blinkered appreciation of the big picture. He obviously has not got a clue what he is talking about, but the trick is not to get lured by his vacuous comments.
Fellow EMPLOYED collegues, try not to let this (out of work for obvious reasons) clown impact on your better judgement. He will never fly your brand new a/c and this is obviously a festering cyst under the skin of rationale. He'll get over it one day.
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You guys would absolutly dread taxiing behind me! 15 Kts taxi and i lose tail wheel authority! 20 Kts, (with 50% power) and the tail is off the ground!! so i chugg along at 10Tks max.
really annoys the guys at YSBK. espcially in an Ultralight as well.
really annoys the guys at YSBK. espcially in an Ultralight as well.