Australian to Hire Pilots External to QF
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I agree with those who make the point about the current wage situation at AA not being less than QF. For most of those who have gone it is indeed a payrise, and good luck to them
What I said at the beginning of this thread was that in an effort to reduce training costs AA will take DE pilots.
This comes from comments made by the AA CP recently.
The point from sidewalk about training infrastructure is well made, but there must be a cost saving though DE guys, otherwise one presumes the comment would not have been made by the CP in the first place
It may well be that the DE guys are paid the same as the ex QF guys. On this I have speculated only that if you are going to have DE pilots this gives an opportunity to have a different set of conditions also.
The situation where a wage cut eventuates will only be determined with time. Maybe there will be different pay scales for DE / QF guys.
I am a bit exasperated at the anti union pilot sentiment expressed by a number of posters when AIPA is neither militant nor aggressive industrially.
What I said at the beginning of this thread was that in an effort to reduce training costs AA will take DE pilots.
This comes from comments made by the AA CP recently.
The point from sidewalk about training infrastructure is well made, but there must be a cost saving though DE guys, otherwise one presumes the comment would not have been made by the CP in the first place
It may well be that the DE guys are paid the same as the ex QF guys. On this I have speculated only that if you are going to have DE pilots this gives an opportunity to have a different set of conditions also.
The situation where a wage cut eventuates will only be determined with time. Maybe there will be different pay scales for DE / QF guys.
I am a bit exasperated at the anti union pilot sentiment expressed by a number of posters when AIPA is neither militant nor aggressive industrially.
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Unions should be a desirable and necessary part of industrial life, but are incapable of rising to the challenge.
Union officers unfortunately are somewhere between Parking Cops and Politicians and CASA in the food chain……and that’s insulting to most Parking Cops but probably the originating source to that well known phrase………” **** floats to the top”
Often with a strong British or Scottish accent….why is that?
Educated?………..not visibly.
Interests?………..self advancement, recognition, power
……in that order.
Track record?…...truly legendary. Just ask an Ansett employee. If you don’t know one wait outside Centrelink. But such track records are industry wide not industry specific.
I was never an Ansett employee and I regard their actions collectively and individually as a new way to spell dumb, but weigh up ACTU response to the influx of Hawke assisted IFALPA pilots and recalculate the self interest quotient that is the hallmark of all unions.
Union officers unfortunately are somewhere between Parking Cops and Politicians and CASA in the food chain……and that’s insulting to most Parking Cops but probably the originating source to that well known phrase………” **** floats to the top”
Often with a strong British or Scottish accent….why is that?
Educated?………..not visibly.
Interests?………..self advancement, recognition, power
……in that order.
Track record?…...truly legendary. Just ask an Ansett employee. If you don’t know one wait outside Centrelink. But such track records are industry wide not industry specific.
I was never an Ansett employee and I regard their actions collectively and individually as a new way to spell dumb, but weigh up ACTU response to the influx of Hawke assisted IFALPA pilots and recalculate the self interest quotient that is the hallmark of all unions.
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It is about training costs a lot, salary a little but mostly about power.To avoid the AIPA qantas took the first step in the early 90's to cause natjet/airlink. This was the first low pay jet group.AN felt they lost some competitiveness here and so put the F50 into Skywest at reduced wages to AN. Now we see QF doing it again in New Zealand(former short haul flying).Add to this Impulse etc. and you can see a pattern developing.Its called divide and conquer. Of course the AIPA do basically ****** all about it because of the long haul domination and a "it doesn't affect me" kind of attitude. The AIPA has the ignominy of allowing the creation of multiple low pay competition to erode its own position in the long term.I concur with sidewalk and say that unions are self serving and short sighted. I will stand up for my old union at AN and at least say they did take the company to court to fight for equal pay at Skywest for the F50.They lost but tried. Airline management are basically as stupid as your average pilot.They dont give a stuff about your life,career,family etc and if they reckon they can get a cost saving they will. Its business. If one company manager believes his competition has an advantage in some way. no matter how small, then he will move mountains to have the same to level the field. Our challenge as pilots is to get all pay scales roughly the same . This is the challenge too for the AIPA. They remain the pre-eminent group in oz and thus are responsible . If the AIPA pull out all stops to uphold the profession ,rather than look after their own short term wants, then I will stop bagging them, we'll all be better off and management will stop fighting with its own employees and start fighting the opposition like it should be doing.
