Sari Club attack.
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Sari Club attack.
Air Paradise has been dealt a huge pre-startup blow by a vicious terrorist attack on the Sari Club on Jalan Legian in Kuta Bali.
The death toll is now at 150 and QF are scheduling extra flights to evac Aussies.
The Sari Club is one of my favourite (and most other aussies as well) watering holes.
What in hell is happening to our world?? If anyone had any doubts, now seems a good time to reduce a few nations to smoking holes in the sand.
This is not a drill.
My support goes out wholeheartedly to those who have lost loved ones in this attrocity, and also to the wonderful Balinese people who will suffer very badly through no fault of their own.
Selamat jalan Bali - blessings on your journey.
EWL
The death toll is now at 150 and QF are scheduling extra flights to evac Aussies.
The Sari Club is one of my favourite (and most other aussies as well) watering holes.
What in hell is happening to our world?? If anyone had any doubts, now seems a good time to reduce a few nations to smoking holes in the sand.
This is not a drill.
My support goes out wholeheartedly to those who have lost loved ones in this attrocity, and also to the wonderful Balinese people who will suffer very badly through no fault of their own.
Selamat jalan Bali - blessings on your journey.
EWL
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Considering some people are putting a great deal of time & effort into establishing a new airline to Bali, I think it is an appropriate place. (Anyway, Woomera will have the final say!)
AN provided a considerable amount of seats to DPS & the void was there to be filled.
Sadly, if these sorts of attrocities continue, the only void will be on aircraft heading up there.
Indeed, what the hell is happening EWL. I hear there was a bomb set off in Helsinki as well!
My condolences to all...
AN provided a considerable amount of seats to DPS & the void was there to be filled.
Sadly, if these sorts of attrocities continue, the only void will be on aircraft heading up there.
Indeed, what the hell is happening EWL. I hear there was a bomb set off in Helsinki as well!
My condolences to all...
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Thank you Buster.
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Bali is a port frequented by many Aussies and overnighting aircrew - and a major tourist destination.
It is quite possible that overnighting QF crew were there and the Sari Club is or was one of the usual haunts of any Aussie.
Woomera will indeed have the final say, but I do not feel in the least wrong in posting this here.
I do think also that anything that affects a new carrier my just be pertinent to our airline world.
I received a heads up from a friend who is a full bird colonel in the USMC air wing 2 months ago that Al Quaeda was setting up training bases in Indo and that all were advised not to take R and R in Indo under any circumstances.
Quiksilver were advised by me and Surfing Australia of the potential danger and the Quiksilver Pro at G Land was shelved.
Scary times.
I just hope Air Paradise and Barry Hess and his crew can weather this storm.
Best all
EWL
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Bali is a port frequented by many Aussies and overnighting aircrew - and a major tourist destination.
It is quite possible that overnighting QF crew were there and the Sari Club is or was one of the usual haunts of any Aussie.
Woomera will indeed have the final say, but I do not feel in the least wrong in posting this here.
I do think also that anything that affects a new carrier my just be pertinent to our airline world.
I received a heads up from a friend who is a full bird colonel in the USMC air wing 2 months ago that Al Quaeda was setting up training bases in Indo and that all were advised not to take R and R in Indo under any circumstances.
Quiksilver were advised by me and Surfing Australia of the potential danger and the Quiksilver Pro at G Land was shelved.
Scary times.
I just hope Air Paradise and Barry Hess and his crew can weather this storm.
Best all
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Considering that of the 182 odd people that lost their lives in Bali last night many of them will be australians, I think it's disgraceful the first comment made on this thread related to Air Paradise's efforts. There are larger issues. 
Condolences to all those who are caught up in the mess.
I've been told the QF crew weren't there and have been turned around... hopefully that was correct information, and they were lucky.
Lancer
Condolences to all those who are caught up in the mess.
I've been told the QF crew weren't there and have been turned around... hopefully that was correct information, and they were lucky.
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World unrest.
I just spent nearly 5 months living (and flying) in Jakarta with Denpasar being one of the destinations. It saddens me deeply that an attack has happened in this country as I have come to like and respect the Indonesion people. My condolances to the family and friends of those that were killed. Recently ferried a Dash 8 from Jakarta to Amman (Jordan) it was a standard tank model so many stops were required and the route we flew certainly opened my eyes. Jakarta-Medan took us over Aceh (War # 1) then onto Phuket with a delay to get our clearance into Myanmar (formerly Burma) because they had been shelling positions in Thailand (War # 2), from Myanmar to Kaolkata, Delhi to Karachi requiring a special clearance to fly from India to Pakistan (yep you guessed it, War # 3) From Karachi through Muscat, Rhiyad to Amman we were challenged by American forces as we flew past Iraq (War # 4 brewing there) and on arrival we delivered the aircraft back to the origional ownwers, Palestinian Airlines, who are now based in Marka, Jordan because thier origional base, Gaza, has been bombed out (Well I guess that War # 5 was starting to get my attention). There are certainly some parts of the world that are very unsettled and that could pose delays and even hazards to aviation (forum relevence there). As long as there are those among us have the superior attitude that we should just "reduce a few nations to a smoking hole in the ground" instead of perhaps looking at our own foriegn policies then this unrest will probably continue and possibly even get worse.
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Lancer - my first thoughts are and will always be for those killed and their families. On a percentage of population basis this is as bad for Australia as September 11. The Air Paradise thread is a natural progression and a logical consequence. The fact that it was mentioned does not make it less true or in any way lessen the massive hurt that this attack has caused. A fact is a fact Lance.
1AHRS - I do not feel it is a "superior attiude" at all mate. It has come to the point where the only way reasonable people can feel safe travelling the world is to cauterise the problems. Reasoned approaches have and will never succeed as us westerners are viewed as infidels and a subspecies by the radical factions of Islam and it is pointless even sitting down to talk with them. Look at Arafat - says one thing - does another.
Just when oh when does the regular run of the mill Aussie Christian get a right to an opinion. Maybe it is time for us to all develop unreasonable sets of demands.
I do however agree that the Indonesians are a wonderful race of people, the Balinese even more so and it is very sad that this travesty was committed on their soil.
EWL
1AHRS - I do not feel it is a "superior attiude" at all mate. It has come to the point where the only way reasonable people can feel safe travelling the world is to cauterise the problems. Reasoned approaches have and will never succeed as us westerners are viewed as infidels and a subspecies by the radical factions of Islam and it is pointless even sitting down to talk with them. Look at Arafat - says one thing - does another.
Just when oh when does the regular run of the mill Aussie Christian get a right to an opinion. Maybe it is time for us to all develop unreasonable sets of demands.
I do however agree that the Indonesians are a wonderful race of people, the Balinese even more so and it is very sad that this travesty was committed on their soil.
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Extra flights to ferry home tourists
Sunday, October 13, 2002 Posted: 4:08 AM EDT (0808 GMT)
SYDNEY, Australia -- Airline Qantas is sending extra flights to the Indonesian island of Bali to help bring back Australian holiday makers after Saturday's explosions.
Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said Sunday the extra flights would be able to bring more than 1,000 people back to Australia.
Three extra flights will leave over the next 24 hours, the first departing Sydney at 5 p.m. Sunday local time, followed by another at 1 a.m. and 9.am. on Monday.
The Boeing 747 and two Boeing 767s will not be taking any passengers to Bali, other than extra Qantas staff to assist with the processing of those wanting to leave, a Qantas medical team, medical vounteers and dozens of media.
Dixon said there was a "clamor" of people wanting to leave, and that even more flights would be considered if required.
"We will be able to move out well over 1,000 people," Dixon told media.
The special flights are in addition to the 13 return Qantas services that operate directly to Denpasar each week from Australia.
Dixon said Qantas was continuing to work closely with the relevant Australian and Indonesian Government authorities and would put on additional aircraft for Bali services if they were required.
Bali is an extremely popular tourist destinations with Australians because of its closeness and the low valued of the Indonesian rupiah compared with the Australian dollar.
Calm call
Dixon said Qantas would be primarily concentrating on flying its own customers out of Bali but would consider taking out other nationalities in special circumstances.
Qantas customers with a return ticket to Australia will be able to travel on the special additional services at no extra cost.
Other flights to Bali from Australia are continuing as normal, but the government has warned Australians to defer all travel to the island until further notice.
The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade advises Australians to stay in their hotels, avoid public places and call home and advise families of their wellbeing.
It also advises people to stay calm while authorities assess the situation.
The Australian embassy in Jakarta are flying extra staff to the Australian consulate in Denpasar to assist with the tragedy.
The Australian consulate is also responsible for assisting Canadians in Bali as well.
Extra flights to ferry home tourists
Sunday, October 13, 2002 Posted: 4:08 AM EDT (0808 GMT)
SYDNEY, Australia -- Airline Qantas is sending extra flights to the Indonesian island of Bali to help bring back Australian holiday makers after Saturday's explosions.
Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said Sunday the extra flights would be able to bring more than 1,000 people back to Australia.
Three extra flights will leave over the next 24 hours, the first departing Sydney at 5 p.m. Sunday local time, followed by another at 1 a.m. and 9.am. on Monday.
The Boeing 747 and two Boeing 767s will not be taking any passengers to Bali, other than extra Qantas staff to assist with the processing of those wanting to leave, a Qantas medical team, medical vounteers and dozens of media.
Dixon said there was a "clamor" of people wanting to leave, and that even more flights would be considered if required.
"We will be able to move out well over 1,000 people," Dixon told media.
The special flights are in addition to the 13 return Qantas services that operate directly to Denpasar each week from Australia.
Dixon said Qantas was continuing to work closely with the relevant Australian and Indonesian Government authorities and would put on additional aircraft for Bali services if they were required.
Bali is an extremely popular tourist destinations with Australians because of its closeness and the low valued of the Indonesian rupiah compared with the Australian dollar.
Calm call
Dixon said Qantas would be primarily concentrating on flying its own customers out of Bali but would consider taking out other nationalities in special circumstances.
Qantas customers with a return ticket to Australia will be able to travel on the special additional services at no extra cost.
Other flights to Bali from Australia are continuing as normal, but the government has warned Australians to defer all travel to the island until further notice.
The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade advises Australians to stay in their hotels, avoid public places and call home and advise families of their wellbeing.
It also advises people to stay calm while authorities assess the situation.
The Australian embassy in Jakarta are flying extra staff to the Australian consulate in Denpasar to assist with the tragedy.
The Australian consulate is also responsible for assisting Canadians in Bali as well.
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Muslims are not the problem here and neither is Islam. If we are to believe that Sept 11th and the recent Sari Club car bombing is all in the name of Allah we are being very gullible.
These acts of terror are carried out by homicidal maniacs with no more religious conviction than Julian Knight and Charles Manson. The hunting down and destruction of such terrorist groups is the requirement, NOT
It is easy to get emotional when one sees our countrymen getting murdered but we have to be careful who we point the finger at. There is a new world order out there these days and we all have to be vigilant.
These acts of terror are carried out by homicidal maniacs with no more religious conviction than Julian Knight and Charles Manson. The hunting down and destruction of such terrorist groups is the requirement, NOT
to reduce a few nations to smoking holes in the sand.
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Your post is totally correct and I apologise for the outburst. one wonders however how one seperates the disease from the symptom.
The sari club was and will always be one of my favourite haunts in Bali and this has really brought these idiot's fanatical plans home to roost.
If these Muslim zealots choose to destroy so many lives, and in the process destroy the lives of God knows how many hard working underpaid Balinese, they obviously have absolutely no common decency. The only problem with cauterising the bad element is where does one stop.
The only way to be sure the threat is gone is to take the lot out, and that is getting back to Nazi theorums.
We are in a no win area here.
EWL
Your post is totally correct and I apologise for the outburst. one wonders however how one seperates the disease from the symptom.
The sari club was and will always be one of my favourite haunts in Bali and this has really brought these idiot's fanatical plans home to roost.
If these Muslim zealots choose to destroy so many lives, and in the process destroy the lives of God knows how many hard working underpaid Balinese, they obviously have absolutely no common decency. The only problem with cauterising the bad element is where does one stop.
The only way to be sure the threat is gone is to take the lot out, and that is getting back to Nazi theorums.
We are in a no win area here.
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3 Holer- well said.
I understand the emotion now running, but if people take up the attitude of EWL, the terrorists have succeeded. It is the purpose of these people to promote hatred, racsism and religious emnity. Most Muslims (that I have contact with anyway) are disgusted by this barbarism. These acts are against the teachings of their faith.
Irrationality is not the cure. If anything, it is the cause. Whilst short-term our thoughts are with those who suffered first-hand, who suffers long-term? Australians too scared to travel and battling hatred and xenophobia, Balinese (mostly non-muslims), and Muslims worldwide (who suffer the effects of the emnity created).
Sad times.
I understand the emotion now running, but if people take up the attitude of EWL, the terrorists have succeeded. It is the purpose of these people to promote hatred, racsism and religious emnity. Most Muslims (that I have contact with anyway) are disgusted by this barbarism. These acts are against the teachings of their faith.
Irrationality is not the cure. If anything, it is the cause. Whilst short-term our thoughts are with those who suffered first-hand, who suffers long-term? Australians too scared to travel and battling hatred and xenophobia, Balinese (mostly non-muslims), and Muslims worldwide (who suffer the effects of the emnity created).
Sad times.
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ferris - I fully agree with you, but what on earth do we do from here? We cannot go on for the rest of our lives being random targets.
I guess if we knew we would be world leaders ourselves.
EWL
Wonderworld - The rat has had many dengrators (including myself) over the past year, but it is a good thing to see that they still have enough culture in the system to react in a proper manner to a catastrophy such as this.
Well done Rat!
A hint of your roots still exists.
EWL
I guess if we knew we would be world leaders ourselves.
EWL
Wonderworld - The rat has had many dengrators (including myself) over the past year, but it is a good thing to see that they still have enough culture in the system to react in a proper manner to a catastrophy such as this.
Well done Rat!
A hint of your roots still exists.
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EWL, I think that is the challenge.
Accept that you ARE a random target (Washington sniper, Timothy McVeigh etc.) and try and live your life in a positive way.
Or: Succumb to the hatred, bunker down and prepare for war.
There are no easy answers.
And yes, good on QF for taking some positive action.
Accept that you ARE a random target (Washington sniper, Timothy McVeigh etc.) and try and live your life in a positive way.
Or: Succumb to the hatred, bunker down and prepare for war.
There are no easy answers.
And yes, good on QF for taking some positive action.
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Did anyone notice on the TV interview with Dixon about QF's additional Bali flights, that QANTAS is coming to help its Customers . Whereas in the past QF would come to rescue Australians.......
Maybe its just semantics or being picky, but it seems to be inline with the latest thinking that airlines don't carry passengers anymore they carry customers......
(And a few other people watching the interview made the same comment)
Anyway I guess its really all a bit trivial compared to the main issue at hand.
Maybe its just semantics or being picky, but it seems to be inline with the latest thinking that airlines don't carry passengers anymore they carry customers......
(And a few other people watching the interview made the same comment)
Anyway I guess its really all a bit trivial compared to the main issue at hand.
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AAP 21:30 (AEST)
Major air evacuation from Bali
By Shane Wright and Rod McGuirk
October 13, 2002
A MAJOR air evacuation of Australians injured in the Bali terror attack has started with mainland hospitals on standby for critically ill patients.
One of four RAAF C-130 Hercules had landed in Bali to airlift up to 30 people to Darwin.
The other three were to airlift the same number of people at a time in a bid to relieve pressure on Bali's hospital system.
A P3C, which was on its way to Bali to deploy Australian Federal Police and diplomatic staff, was also to be used to bring less seriously injured people back to local hospitals.
Seven Australians have been confirmed dead and more than 110 injured in the attacks on two nightclubs in Bali.
The Hercules have seven-member medical teams onboard, including surgeons and nurses, who will decide which patients come back to Australia.
Each plane will land and take onboard patients before immediately returning to Darwin.
The first of the Hercules carrying casualties was expected to arrive in Darwin, the closest Australian capital to Bali, around midnight CST (0030 AEST).
"All 30 patients have burns," a defence spokesman said.
Darwin hospital administrator Len Notaras estimated 60 seriously injured victims could be accommodated in the 300-bed hospital and the neighbouring private hospital.
He also expected the public hospital's mortuary would become a staging point for the bodies of Australian casualties.
"We can fairly comfortably take 40, 50, perhaps 60 or so quite seriously injured patients," Dr Notaras said.
Two wards had been cleared and the old cafeteria had become an assessment room.
Elective surgery and outpatient lists had been cancelled tomorrow.
The hospital prepared extra blood supplies and took other measures similar to those enacted in response to violence two years ago in nearby East Timor, the hospital spokeswoman said.
Perth's major teaching hospitals were among those put on standby to take any casualties.
"We're preparing all our major tertiary medical facilities so we have the capacity to look after any patients if the Commonwealth requests that," West Australian Health Department spokeswoman Joanne Godecke said.
Emergency departments, burns units and intensive care units at hospitals including Royal Perth Hospital and Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital were on standby, Ms Godecke said.
Three members of the Westpac LifeSaver Helicopter Rescue Service in Sydney, and six members of NSW Health including members of the NRMA CareFlight medical service, are also headed to Bali to assist medical authorities.
Aboard the P3C will be a federal police and ASIO investigation team.
The team includes forensic and investigative officers who are experts in victim identification and post-bomb blast investigation.
AAP
Major air evacuation from Bali
By Shane Wright and Rod McGuirk
October 13, 2002
A MAJOR air evacuation of Australians injured in the Bali terror attack has started with mainland hospitals on standby for critically ill patients.
One of four RAAF C-130 Hercules had landed in Bali to airlift up to 30 people to Darwin.
The other three were to airlift the same number of people at a time in a bid to relieve pressure on Bali's hospital system.
A P3C, which was on its way to Bali to deploy Australian Federal Police and diplomatic staff, was also to be used to bring less seriously injured people back to local hospitals.
Seven Australians have been confirmed dead and more than 110 injured in the attacks on two nightclubs in Bali.
The Hercules have seven-member medical teams onboard, including surgeons and nurses, who will decide which patients come back to Australia.
Each plane will land and take onboard patients before immediately returning to Darwin.
The first of the Hercules carrying casualties was expected to arrive in Darwin, the closest Australian capital to Bali, around midnight CST (0030 AEST).
"All 30 patients have burns," a defence spokesman said.
Darwin hospital administrator Len Notaras estimated 60 seriously injured victims could be accommodated in the 300-bed hospital and the neighbouring private hospital.
He also expected the public hospital's mortuary would become a staging point for the bodies of Australian casualties.
"We can fairly comfortably take 40, 50, perhaps 60 or so quite seriously injured patients," Dr Notaras said.
Two wards had been cleared and the old cafeteria had become an assessment room.
Elective surgery and outpatient lists had been cancelled tomorrow.
The hospital prepared extra blood supplies and took other measures similar to those enacted in response to violence two years ago in nearby East Timor, the hospital spokeswoman said.
Perth's major teaching hospitals were among those put on standby to take any casualties.
"We're preparing all our major tertiary medical facilities so we have the capacity to look after any patients if the Commonwealth requests that," West Australian Health Department spokeswoman Joanne Godecke said.
Emergency departments, burns units and intensive care units at hospitals including Royal Perth Hospital and Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital were on standby, Ms Godecke said.
Three members of the Westpac LifeSaver Helicopter Rescue Service in Sydney, and six members of NSW Health including members of the NRMA CareFlight medical service, are also headed to Bali to assist medical authorities.
Aboard the P3C will be a federal police and ASIO investigation team.
The team includes forensic and investigative officers who are experts in victim identification and post-bomb blast investigation.
AAP
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Make absolutely no mistake, the bombing was aimed directly at Australians.
Certain parts of the Indon military were aware that this was coming and they have not forgiven our involvement in East Timor.
Megawati may be the President but she does not have the real power.
Many in the diplomatic area including the Singaporeans warned about it and as EWL said many other countries citizens were told not to go there.
Australians are very very naive about such things and hopefully they will wake up and now understand that these guys play for keeps and we are the same target as all the other western nations.
A bunch of 7 fresh young Aussie kids from the local footy team who hadn't been in town a couple of hours, go to the pub for some well earned fun, are now missing, presumed dead, amongst the 187 plus.
I was listening to some young things, being interviewed at Perth airport this morning prior to boarding their Bali flight and after being advised of the extent of the carnage.
Their main concern seem to be that they had already paid for their package and were going rather than lose it, with one who had been before and knew where the Bounty Hotel was in relation to the Sari, expressing the hope that the packager had arranged some alternative accomodation.
Only 30 odd of the 300 traveling chose not to go. One unbelievable couple doing the "well if your numbers up routine".
Well I'm here to tell you they will be the same people to scream for help from the Govt and expect our boys to go save them.
Lets stop the Politically Correct bulls hit pussy footing around with "the terrorists have succeeded if we ...." and all of the rest of that naive feel good crap.
Listen to Richard Butler when he says, there is only one thing that they understand and it isn't rational debate about them being naughty and how about being good chaps.
Bush got it right the first time, WW3 started at (I think it was) 8:47am EDT 9/11/2001 and we all sat in our living rooms and watched it live on CNN and discussed it as if it was a good movie around the coffee machine next morning.
He was also right when he said he would chase those responsible and those who harboured them, it's now time for Indonesia to come clean on this.
It was not then nor is now a remote concept and if we try to slide around the Sari bombing without sending a clear and unequivocal message backed up with some real action then God help us all.
Howard has to send a very clear and unequivocal message to Megawati and the military who are hiding behind her in the biggest Muslim community in the world that we will not tolerate this action and that if they don't do something concrete and visible about it we will.
This subject has every thing to do with aviation.
It was aviation that made Bali and all of the gazillion dollars the tourist industry has generated into Indonesia.
Aviation turned Bali with Balinese support into a lucrative local playground.
A local operator observed today that it "looked like he was going to have to go back to growing rice", he has another choice.
So that is now all gone for the monent and DFAT should keep the country off the "safe" list until it is demonstrated by the Indon Govt that they are seriously doing something.
Air Paradise should recognise the First rule in business.
The first loss is always the best loss. Stop.
Its no longer about whether Barry Hesse has a job or not.
Over whose dead bodies.?
The owner made his dollars out of Bali so he can go and sort it out with his Government.
And unless I'm mistaken most of the properties in Bali are owned by the military and the Indonesian elite.
So if common decency doesn't work for them, then a good hard and sustained kicking in the financial groin certainly will.
Wake up Australia, the good cheap times are on hold for the forseeable future, give the dead your utmost respect and stay well away until they show them respect by producing the perpetrators, they know who they are, and dealing with them.
The money is far better spent in Australia looking after Australians, rather than further enriching an already hopelessly corrupt regime.
We have become soft and selfish and a bunch of Aussies on holidays have learned that lesson the hard way.
Lets hope we don't just talk about it round the coffee machine again while we plan our next holiday there.
Certain parts of the Indon military were aware that this was coming and they have not forgiven our involvement in East Timor.
Megawati may be the President but she does not have the real power.
Many in the diplomatic area including the Singaporeans warned about it and as EWL said many other countries citizens were told not to go there.
Australians are very very naive about such things and hopefully they will wake up and now understand that these guys play for keeps and we are the same target as all the other western nations.
A bunch of 7 fresh young Aussie kids from the local footy team who hadn't been in town a couple of hours, go to the pub for some well earned fun, are now missing, presumed dead, amongst the 187 plus.
I was listening to some young things, being interviewed at Perth airport this morning prior to boarding their Bali flight and after being advised of the extent of the carnage.
Their main concern seem to be that they had already paid for their package and were going rather than lose it, with one who had been before and knew where the Bounty Hotel was in relation to the Sari, expressing the hope that the packager had arranged some alternative accomodation.
Only 30 odd of the 300 traveling chose not to go.
One unbelievable couple doing the "well if your numbers up routine".Well I'm here to tell you they will be the same people to scream for help from the Govt and expect our boys to go save them.
Lets stop the Politically Correct bulls hit pussy footing around with "the terrorists have succeeded if we ...." and all of the rest of that naive feel good crap.
Listen to Richard Butler when he says, there is only one thing that they understand and it isn't rational debate about them being naughty and how about being good chaps.
Bush got it right the first time, WW3 started at (I think it was) 8:47am EDT 9/11/2001 and we all sat in our living rooms and watched it live on CNN and discussed it as if it was a good movie around the coffee machine next morning.
He was also right when he said he would chase those responsible and those who harboured them, it's now time for Indonesia to come clean on this.
It was not then nor is now a remote concept and if we try to slide around the Sari bombing without sending a clear and unequivocal message backed up with some real action then God help us all.
Howard has to send a very clear and unequivocal message to Megawati and the military who are hiding behind her in the biggest Muslim community in the world that we will not tolerate this action and that if they don't do something concrete and visible about it we will.
This subject has every thing to do with aviation.
It was aviation that made Bali and all of the gazillion dollars the tourist industry has generated into Indonesia.
Aviation turned Bali with Balinese support into a lucrative local playground.
A local operator observed today that it "looked like he was going to have to go back to growing rice", he has another choice.
So that is now all gone for the monent and DFAT should keep the country off the "safe" list until it is demonstrated by the Indon Govt that they are seriously doing something.
Air Paradise should recognise the First rule in business.
The first loss is always the best loss. Stop.
Its no longer about whether Barry Hesse has a job or not.
Over whose dead bodies.?
The owner made his dollars out of Bali so he can go and sort it out with his Government.
And unless I'm mistaken most of the properties in Bali are owned by the military and the Indonesian elite.
So if common decency doesn't work for them, then a good hard and sustained kicking in the financial groin certainly will.
Wake up Australia, the good cheap times are on hold for the forseeable future, give the dead your utmost respect and stay well away until they show them respect by producing the perpetrators, they know who they are, and dealing with them.
The money is far better spent in Australia looking after Australians, rather than further enriching an already hopelessly corrupt regime.
We have become soft and selfish and a bunch of Aussies on holidays have learned that lesson the hard way.
Lets hope we don't just talk about it round the coffee machine again while we plan our next holiday there.
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Hospitals stretched
It is feared of the injured many may die because the hospitals do not have enough pain killers or blood to give them proper treatment.
Police say the dead included nationals from Australia, Britain, France, Germany, New Zealand, Canada and Sweden, most of whom were in a club in the Kuta Beach area.
Most of the bodies retrieved from the nightclubs have been taken to the Sanga Hospital, near the Balinese capital of Denpasar.
But it is clear the hospital, like others in Bali, is ill equipped to deal with the magnitude of the human disaster.
Bodies are simply piled along the corridors as officials try to start the grim task of identification.
Westerners who know the health system fear many who suffered burns in the blasts may die because the hospitals do not have enough pain killers, scalpels, gloves or blood to give them proper treatment.
Maria Jakes, who runs a knitwear company in Bali, has spent the day trying to help provide bandages.
"We've got people that have got 90-degree burns all over their body," she said.
"There's no Burns Unit in Bali. They're dying basically because there's nothing to do."
Ian White, who is a volunteer working at Sanga Hospital, is trying to make a list of the missing.
"It's just pandemonium out of control here, it's just bedlam and mayhem," he said.
"I'm actually, since early this morning, been putting a data base together of the missing persons and well, the injured and where they are and what's happened and we're trying to compile it right now and trying to put all the information together."
A volunteer at one hospital, Allison Chester, says she thinks the death toll will rise because medical staff are completely overwhelmed.
"People are very, very badly burned here and we badly need equipment," she said.
"We need medicine, we need pethadine, we need bandages, we need linens.
"The staff are doing whatever they can here but they don't have enough help, Australian doctors and doctors from Europe here have been given permission to operate."
Hospitals stretched
It is feared of the injured many may die because the hospitals do not have enough pain killers or blood to give them proper treatment.
Police say the dead included nationals from Australia, Britain, France, Germany, New Zealand, Canada and Sweden, most of whom were in a club in the Kuta Beach area.
Most of the bodies retrieved from the nightclubs have been taken to the Sanga Hospital, near the Balinese capital of Denpasar.
But it is clear the hospital, like others in Bali, is ill equipped to deal with the magnitude of the human disaster.
Bodies are simply piled along the corridors as officials try to start the grim task of identification.
Westerners who know the health system fear many who suffered burns in the blasts may die because the hospitals do not have enough pain killers, scalpels, gloves or blood to give them proper treatment.
Maria Jakes, who runs a knitwear company in Bali, has spent the day trying to help provide bandages.
"We've got people that have got 90-degree burns all over their body," she said.
"There's no Burns Unit in Bali. They're dying basically because there's nothing to do."
Ian White, who is a volunteer working at Sanga Hospital, is trying to make a list of the missing.
"It's just pandemonium out of control here, it's just bedlam and mayhem," he said.
"I'm actually, since early this morning, been putting a data base together of the missing persons and well, the injured and where they are and what's happened and we're trying to compile it right now and trying to put all the information together."
A volunteer at one hospital, Allison Chester, says she thinks the death toll will rise because medical staff are completely overwhelmed.
"People are very, very badly burned here and we badly need equipment," she said.
"We need medicine, we need pethadine, we need bandages, we need linens.
"The staff are doing whatever they can here but they don't have enough help, Australian doctors and doctors from Europe here have been given permission to operate."