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An observation before this thread drys up. There has been the thought running thru this thread that a Dash 8-300 is not a viable career stop. Most of the Dash 8 Captains I know will not be choosing to go to a 717, whatever happens to the integration. Even VB 737s didn't have enough "pull" for the vast majority. Even many Dash 8 f/o's would like to stay on here. The last commands in Sunnies took 4 1/2 years to get. Just as much with the Qlink jets, more jobs in the Qlink Dash's are possible. (see Wirraway, ESS102, and B&T above)
Secondly, analyzing one's own aircrew culture is just like self analysis, a bit risky and one eyed; if you want to know how your aircrew group really stands against the other groups, just ask around the ground handling agents, the refuellers and the taxi drivers at the common ports.
Secondly, analyzing one's own aircrew culture is just like self analysis, a bit risky and one eyed; if you want to know how your aircrew group really stands against the other groups, just ask around the ground handling agents, the refuellers and the taxi drivers at the common ports.
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I am amazed at the self righteous attitudes that are still rampant in EAA. The level playing field and and all its trappings were not considered when it came to interviewing and employing redundant 1900 pilots. I know of several that have been sucessful and have been waiting on the "hold" file only to see other candidates employed in front of them.
And you guys wonder why you are resented.
And you guys wonder why you are resented.
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Douglas,
Please refer to my earlier reply on this topic. Pilot groups in no organisation dictate employment terms on their own, they are ultimately management decisions. Further, no reciprocal rights exist - simply, there is no playing field yet.
If IMP candidates are on hold files, they are being held up as no agreement is yet in place. Please refer your constructive comments to the IPC sub-committee for resolution.
Please refer to my earlier reply on this topic. Pilot groups in no organisation dictate employment terms on their own, they are ultimately management decisions. Further, no reciprocal rights exist - simply, there is no playing field yet.
If IMP candidates are on hold files, they are being held up as no agreement is yet in place. Please refer your constructive comments to the IPC sub-committee for resolution.
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Douglas McD, I'll be somewhat less eloquent than ESSIO2:
The Eastern pilot group has no say, nor knowledge in fact, of who is in the interview process at Eastern, or where the candidates come from. And nor should they... This would be much the same as Airconnex and it's recruiting process I would imagine, no?.......
Let me tell you that the process is completely objective and transparent. No individual team member can veto a candidate. They must complete the process and be assessed by MANAGEMENT as acceptable or otherwise, based on performance through the full process.
Blaming the Eastern pilot group for the woes of those made redundant is a cheap and p!ssweak shot....
The Eastern pilot group has no say, nor knowledge in fact, of who is in the interview process at Eastern, or where the candidates come from. And nor should they... This would be much the same as Airconnex and it's recruiting process I would imagine, no?.......
Let me tell you that the process is completely objective and transparent. No individual team member can veto a candidate. They must complete the process and be assessed by MANAGEMENT as acceptable or otherwise, based on performance through the full process.
Blaming the Eastern pilot group for the woes of those made redundant is a cheap and p!ssweak shot....
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Look Jarse. Im simply stating a fact and not pointing the finger. This group of guys has been left totaly out in the cold recently by all groups. However,it is a well known fact that they have not been given a fair go with dash operators. This is a real shame, and we know that it is not the pilots of these organisations who are responsible for this. Management is responsible. At the end of the day we are mostly ordinary guys just trying to keep the wolves from the door. My question to you Jarse is if Impulse/Airconnex did not have the 717 or equivelent equipment would who evere represents your pilot group be pushing for intergration?
I await your reply.
I await your reply.
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I am amazed at the self righteous attitudes that are still rampant in EAA. The level playing field and and all its trappings were not considered when it came to interviewing and employing redundant 1900 pilots.
Personally, my reply to your question is I don't really care one way or the other about integration with the Airconnex pilot group or flying the B717, and when it all comes down to it that will be the Company's choice, just like who Airconnex and Eastern hire now. But that's just my opinion. And I don't mean it in a negative sense.
However, there are distinct advantages to having a cohesive and unified pilot group, which the integration committee is attempting to achieve. You probably know what I'm writing about. I will be voting in favour of it if it preserves just one job in ANY of the pilot groups. That includes the redundant B1900 pilots.
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Hugh, I do agree. Anything that secures our jobs and looks after our mates who at the moment are not working is a good thing. My afore mentioned quote certainly does not apply to everyone. I have only come across a few bad eggs at EAA. They are every where I know. They have been, however quite vocal in the past (on this forum and the wireless).
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Given there is no intergration agreement at the moment....
i wonder how an interview with a retrenched 1900 pilot would go.... (with any company!!)
maybe something like this...
Q. would you like to make a career out of working for this company?
A. yes but i am retaining my rights to go back to airconex
Q. so you would like us to train you on our aircraft etc so you can leave us some time in the future?
A. yes
we will get back to you soon....
Now if an intergration agreement existed...
as soon as a vacancy existed in the qantas link group you would be employed....
Just say (heven forbid) that a regional jet was placed with Eastern or Sunstate that reduced the need for some 717 and some airconex pilots become redundant under the intergration agreement they would have first preference...
i wonder how an interview with a retrenched 1900 pilot would go.... (with any company!!)
maybe something like this...
Q. would you like to make a career out of working for this company?
A. yes but i am retaining my rights to go back to airconex
Q. so you would like us to train you on our aircraft etc so you can leave us some time in the future?
A. yes
we will get back to you soon....
Now if an intergration agreement existed...
as soon as a vacancy existed in the qantas link group you would be employed....
Just say (heven forbid) that a regional jet was placed with Eastern or Sunstate that reduced the need for some 717 and some airconex pilots become redundant under the intergration agreement they would have first preference...
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Spin out, and there lays the problem. There is no guarantee of more jets so when, as you mention we apply for a job ANYWHERE no matter what we say we are not going to get a look in because they have already assumed, yes more jets are coming and yes we will go or we are liars.
You make your decisions based on what is best for you, so a good deal on the table and it may get thru, as for the current draft???
You make your decisions based on what is best for you, so a good deal on the table and it may get thru, as for the current draft???
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There are obviously a number of issues here, but I have no doubt that at the end of the day, ALL the QL pilots will be better off with just ONE list.
Nobody has a crystal ball that is good enough to tell us what is going to happen in the future, but sure as hell if we have one list and one group, even if in separate AOCs we are must less likely to get screwed. So long as we are divided, we will never have a chance of taking the higher ground.
The other thing is that we must think of the group and not just our own selfish whims! ..but that is just human nature I guess?
Every company has their bad eggs so having a go at Eastern is not relevant to this discussion. We all want to look over our own shoulder from time to time! So it is not wise to brand everyone in a group using the wrong eggs as a baseline.
Nobody has a crystal ball that is good enough to tell us what is going to happen in the future, but sure as hell if we have one list and one group, even if in separate AOCs we are must less likely to get screwed. So long as we are divided, we will never have a chance of taking the higher ground.
The other thing is that we must think of the group and not just our own selfish whims! ..but that is just human nature I guess?
Every company has their bad eggs so having a go at Eastern is not relevant to this discussion. We all want to look over our own shoulder from time to time! So it is not wise to brand everyone in a group using the wrong eggs as a baseline.
