Financial assistance for AN staff.
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Gnadenburg
I'm not going tit for tat with you so just a short note here.
I do not have anything to do with anyone or anything at my so called "beloved" VB, in the fact the only person that I sorta know, a cuppla beers once a while ago, who works there is sprucegoose, nice chap too.
In fact never travelled on em, mrs gaunty and the prince and princesses gaunty yup but me no, just never had the need or opportunity, QF by default for no other reason but the FF scheme. Doesn't mean I wouldn't though.
Anti AN staff nah, the management d!ckheads including the gormless adminstrators who ran it off the rails absobloodylutely yes. If you had followed my posts during the Tesna fiasco you would understand from whence I come.
So tell me that the $2,000,000,000 of unsecured creditors in the administrators report are the subject of my imagination and that the mum and dad businesses that either went to the wall or are doing it real hard don't exist.
And show me where these people are getting any sympathy or help, oh and before you start going on about the big guys being able to handle it, go check to see where your super fund administrator has your money invested.
It would be a pity if your personal antipathy towards me clouded you personal judgement, believe me I am not worth it.
Oh and I nearly forgot you obviously missed the bit at the end in your rush to give me a good kicking.
I'm not going tit for tat with you so just a short note here.
I do not have anything to do with anyone or anything at my so called "beloved" VB, in the fact the only person that I sorta know, a cuppla beers once a while ago, who works there is sprucegoose, nice chap too.
In fact never travelled on em, mrs gaunty and the prince and princesses gaunty yup but me no, just never had the need or opportunity, QF by default for no other reason but the FF scheme. Doesn't mean I wouldn't though.
Anti AN staff nah, the management d!ckheads including the gormless adminstrators who ran it off the rails absobloodylutely yes. If you had followed my posts during the Tesna fiasco you would understand from whence I come.
So tell me that the $2,000,000,000 of unsecured creditors in the administrators report are the subject of my imagination and that the mum and dad businesses that either went to the wall or are doing it real hard don't exist.
And show me where these people are getting any sympathy or help, oh and before you start going on about the big guys being able to handle it, go check to see where your super fund administrator has your money invested.
It would be a pity if your personal antipathy towards me clouded you personal judgement, believe me I am not worth it.
Oh and I nearly forgot you obviously missed the bit at the end in your rush to give me a good kicking.
I am sure there are many many AN staff who understand and would agree with what I say, but that is not the message that I am hearing as a "non combatant."
Those who do, should make their voice heard by those who would use their plight for political and other petty gain.
Those who do, should make their voice heard by those who would use their plight for political and other petty gain.
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AN assistance fund
If someone dropped 10 grand in my lap tomorrow, I know a few ex-AN pilots who would be getting a nice surprise cheque in the mail...
(I'd send 'em all one if I could, cabin staff too, but there's about three or four I would really love to thank for the kindness they showed me when I flew with Ansett)
And I think why the hell can't those pollies in Canberra get off their butts and do something about it instead of saying "They're getting on with it". Easy for someone to say who earns half a mil per year!!!!
poli- many
tics - bloodsucking leeches pretty apt, eh?
(I'd send 'em all one if I could, cabin staff too, but there's about three or four I would really love to thank for the kindness they showed me when I flew with Ansett)
And I think why the hell can't those pollies in Canberra get off their butts and do something about it instead of saying "They're getting on with it". Easy for someone to say who earns half a mil per year!!!!
poli- many
tics - bloodsucking leeches pretty apt, eh?
gaunty
This was a post about the fortunate helping the unfortunate exAN.
Now re-read your garbage in print and tell me you
do not detect undertones or sentiments inappropriate to the post or anti-AN.
No antipathy either.
Just found your isolationist policy very British and one dimensional in regard our foreign affairs.
A little bit of defence and economic co-operation with Singapore paid dividends in the last few weeks wouldn`t you think?Considering our interests targeted on their soil.
Allies at war?
This was a post about the fortunate helping the unfortunate exAN.
Now re-read your garbage in print and tell me you
do not detect undertones or sentiments inappropriate to the post or anti-AN.
No antipathy either.
Just found your isolationist policy very British and one dimensional in regard our foreign affairs.
A little bit of defence and economic co-operation with Singapore paid dividends in the last few weeks wouldn`t you think?Considering our interests targeted on their soil.
Allies at war?
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
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While Gaunty and Gardenbug continue flagellating each other - and undeniably G raises a good point - may I suggest a return to the CORE issue?
The idea of setting up a fund for the employees DIRECTLY employed by Ansett - a fund that is financed by the "now-employeds", to assist those "non-employeds" who are severing severe/intolerable financial hardship, the qualifiers for which would need to be determined by a "panel".
I find it "remarkable" that there are so many ex-AN'ers who frequent the halls of PPRuNe but who have been amazingly ABSENT from placing any contributions for or against this topic!
There have been numerous posts about how hard some AN employees are doing it, some about a few who have ended it all (for themselves, but not their families), and others indicating their success in finding re-employment.
Quite frankly, one would have to assume that ALL of those ex-AN'ers posting here could afford a (small) contribution towards the welfare of those who are doing it hard - so hard that they can't afford the couple of dollars to buy some internet time!
What do they say - "money talks & bull@#&t walks".
The idea of setting up a fund for the employees DIRECTLY employed by Ansett - a fund that is financed by the "now-employeds", to assist those "non-employeds" who are severing severe/intolerable financial hardship, the qualifiers for which would need to be determined by a "panel".
I find it "remarkable" that there are so many ex-AN'ers who frequent the halls of PPRuNe but who have been amazingly ABSENT from placing any contributions for or against this topic!
There have been numerous posts about how hard some AN employees are doing it, some about a few who have ended it all (for themselves, but not their families), and others indicating their success in finding re-employment.
Quite frankly, one would have to assume that ALL of those ex-AN'ers posting here could afford a (small) contribution towards the welfare of those who are doing it hard - so hard that they can't afford the couple of dollars to buy some internet time!
What do they say - "money talks & bull@#&t walks".
Yes but...
The difference is that no-one understood your rebuttal or the last Singapore/British spin on your argument Gnadenburg.
Meethinks Gaunty's point could have been related to the fact that employees aren't the only unsecured creditor and that small companies supplying Ansett probably risked more (and lost more) than the average weekly wage earner risked.
Meethinks Gaunty's point could have been related to the fact that employees aren't the only unsecured creditor and that small companies supplying Ansett probably risked more (and lost more) than the average weekly wage earner risked.
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Dragging up another thread.Was devastated to have Gaunty feel antipathy so just wanted to reinforce our disagreement only.
Small companies was not the issue.It was small mum and dad suppliers to Ansett.How many and how much did they lose?
A nice tangent but inappropriate considering the nature of this thread.Start a new topic.
I feel the government provided the social tripwire by protecting the basic entitlements.
Kapt M
Lack of AN posters may have a bit to do with 89ers hunting in packs.
Bit of tall poppy too.A couple of Virgin F/Os under the guise of 89ers labelling late nineties AN pilots scabs.Lack of rebuttle from the likes of yourself makes PPrune distasteful for some.
I flew with many F/As who experienced great financial difficulty during the dispute.I imagine other ranks affected too.
Did the AFAP charity arm extend this far?
Dragging up another thread.Was devastated to have Gaunty feel antipathy so just wanted to reinforce our disagreement only.
Small companies was not the issue.It was small mum and dad suppliers to Ansett.How many and how much did they lose?
A nice tangent but inappropriate considering the nature of this thread.Start a new topic.
I feel the government provided the social tripwire by protecting the basic entitlements.
Kapt M
Lack of AN posters may have a bit to do with 89ers hunting in packs.
Bit of tall poppy too.A couple of Virgin F/Os under the guise of 89ers labelling late nineties AN pilots scabs.Lack of rebuttle from the likes of yourself makes PPrune distasteful for some.
I flew with many F/As who experienced great financial difficulty during the dispute.I imagine other ranks affected too.
Did the AFAP charity arm extend this far?
