NJS pulls out of Rockhampton
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Help me out here someone.
Is NJS a subcontracter selling a service to QF?
If so, repeat... if so, they can hardly scream if QF decide to replace their services with a fully owned QF subsidary.
NJS originally got the gig from James Strong, when NJS were owned by a mate of his. A lot of water has gone under the bridge since then.
Is NJS a subcontracter selling a service to QF?
If so, repeat... if so, they can hardly scream if QF decide to replace their services with a fully owned QF subsidary.
NJS originally got the gig from James Strong, when NJS were owned by a mate of his. A lot of water has gone under the bridge since then.
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I agree with the sentiment regarding aircraft and future fleet composition. I get the impression QF regional will be going Brazilian....and I don't mean the pubic wax job either!
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ITCZ,
I think Loco's Smoke has answered the question.
I agree with your sentiments regarding who you work for having no bearing on what sort of operator you are.
(See some of my previous posts which are very similar to your post regarding this).
As far as NJS crew losing out to the Impulse 717's replacing them in some instances, I certainly feel for these PEOPLE.
I am still interested to hear what a 146 can do ie range,payload etc that a 717 cannot.
As far as airbrake 42 is concerned. You still have not answered my question so I assume you have no idea what you are talking about.Your statement regarding the 717's having a limited future leads me to believe that you are on drugs.If you put down dunny cleaner as your occupation in your profile than expect people to refer to it.
Finally , if Qantas does introduce a new regional jet hopefully the 146 guy's will get to operate it (Best of luck).
I think Loco's Smoke has answered the question.
I agree with your sentiments regarding who you work for having no bearing on what sort of operator you are.
(See some of my previous posts which are very similar to your post regarding this).
As far as NJS crew losing out to the Impulse 717's replacing them in some instances, I certainly feel for these PEOPLE.
I am still interested to hear what a 146 can do ie range,payload etc that a 717 cannot.
As far as airbrake 42 is concerned. You still have not answered my question so I assume you have no idea what you are talking about.Your statement regarding the 717's having a limited future leads me to believe that you are on drugs.If you put down dunny cleaner as your occupation in your profile than expect people to refer to it.
Finally , if Qantas does introduce a new regional jet hopefully the 146 guy's will get to operate it (Best of luck).
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717 vs 146 payload range
Loco, Re:717 vs 146 payload range! Understand Gerry (remember him!) initially started out with LGW versions.Obviously the il cheapo version of the HGW version you quote figures for.(a bit like holden's Belmont vs Kingswood.) After your tails turned red, we hear stories of fuel on/bags off SYD-Hammo is. with wx. at Hammo.QF not too happy.Next thing you guys are in and out of tassie and we hear stories of more bags off (LAUNY-MEL) This time due landing wt. problems.Whether true or not the stories are out there and the 717 is gaining something of a "short legged " reputation.(a trait it inherited from the DC-9 it seems.)I think the B717/MD-80/DC-9 is one of the finest a/c ever built,the 146 one of the worst, but it seems your 71's were initially optimised MEL-SYD-BNE with not much thought to go elsewhere. cheers maus.
MPPGF,
Try this one sucker: ASP 40deg into -80kt to PER+30 with 87pax. Get there in your diesel 9? Don't think so! Gimme a swinebat anyday.
PS: 31t OEW for 102 pax?? Who's paying the landing charges for something that's got enough metal in it to make an A380??
Try this one sucker: ASP 40deg into -80kt to PER+30 with 87pax. Get there in your diesel 9? Don't think so! Gimme a swinebat anyday.
PS: 31t OEW for 102 pax?? Who's paying the landing charges for something that's got enough metal in it to make an A380??
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you may well be right in that the 717 won't directly replace the 146 in QF service, but where did you hear the rumour that the 717 is on the way out? they recently started taking delivery of 6 more on type and i believe qf is rapt with them. you should get a new source i think????
and why call yourself dunny cleaner mate???? too much coffeee or drugs???
you may well be right in that the 717 won't directly replace the 146 in QF service, but where did you hear the rumour that the 717 is on the way out? they recently started taking delivery of 6 more on type and i believe qf is rapt with them. you should get a new source i think????
and why call yourself dunny cleaner mate???? too much coffeee or drugs???
AirNorth Maintenance
how long has airnorth been doing national jet maintenance for? noticed a 146-200 down in AirNorth's maintenance hangar on Saturday night? is this a regular occurrence or are nj just using the facilities, a couple of 146's went u/s on the weekend. that is ops normal i suppose....
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Aircraft performance is not the only relevant factor when considering 146 replacement. A 146 capital cost is just a fraction of the capital costs of a 717. Even if 717 has marginally better payload / range, if this costs you 6 times what the 146 does, how do you justify a change of aircraft? Who pays? The company / the pax?
Many people knock the 146 and demand for replacemement - but I would like to see real justification. The aircraft is old? Compared to what, on what criteria? Cycles, years? Reliability of this type is actually improving.
Regional airstrips are often short with hot temps, the 146 handles this like no other I am aware of, and does it very cheaply, with large cabin comfort, unlike the CRJ, ERJ. Incidently, the CRJ and ERJ also have capital costs several times that of the 146.
Many people knock the 146 and demand for replacemement - but I would like to see real justification. The aircraft is old? Compared to what, on what criteria? Cycles, years? Reliability of this type is actually improving.
Regional airstrips are often short with hot temps, the 146 handles this like no other I am aware of, and does it very cheaply, with large cabin comfort, unlike the CRJ, ERJ. Incidently, the CRJ and ERJ also have capital costs several times that of the 146.
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146vs717??
You guys are kidding.....
airbrake and co. you must be from EAA? get over it all ready, the pulse got the jet's live with it.
If the 146 was as FAB as you think why is it being phased out.
Airbrake with another 4 jets on there way (3 here in the next 2-3 months) I think your yankin' your own dunny chain
The 146 is a SHOT DUCK and about time (no offence NJS) hope you get something better or go to the pulse, sure would be better than EAA jumping on the bottom of Impulse's seniority list.
You guys are kidding.....
airbrake and co. you must be from EAA? get over it all ready, the pulse got the jet's live with it.
If the 146 was as FAB as you think why is it being phased out.
Airbrake with another 4 jets on there way (3 here in the next 2-3 months) I think your yankin' your own dunny chain
The 146 is a SHOT DUCK and about time (no offence NJS) hope you get something better or go to the pulse, sure would be better than EAA jumping on the bottom of Impulse's seniority list.
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Say What??
What's this thread got to do with EAA and seniority lists?
I was having a bit of a chuckle at the number crunching.
When it all comes down to it, you get whatever the Evil Empire decides to give you...
I was having a bit of a chuckle at the number crunching.
When it all comes down to it, you get whatever the Evil Empire decides to give you...
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Well put HJ!!
What was the thread title, something about the NJS guy's and girls getting shafted out of Rocky?
The evil Empire will have done the figures, and at the end of the day no one other than the superior beings in Ivory Castle will change the process
What was the thread title, something about the NJS guy's and girls getting shafted out of Rocky?
The evil Empire will have done the figures, and at the end of the day no one other than the superior beings in Ivory Castle will change the process
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Flyswat, if you think the 717 is better than the 146, from the beancounters view, then you are the one who is kidding himself.
and it has become patently obvious that ALL decisions at the evil empire are based on one thing.............counting beans.
and it has become patently obvious that ALL decisions at the evil empire are based on one thing.............counting beans.
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flyswat,
do you know something that we at the pulse do not. 3 -4 new jets. where do you get the info from, only a rumour at the moment. Q certainly haven't told us anything. Mind you i have been on leave for a week and a lot seems to happen in aviation in a week!!
do you know something that we at the pulse do not. 3 -4 new jets. where do you get the info from, only a rumour at the moment. Q certainly haven't told us anything. Mind you i have been on leave for a week and a lot seems to happen in aviation in a week!!
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Well it appears that the pulse are taking over Rocky and around 30 - 50% of the flying in Mackay so that would realistically show that more 717's are required on the route network. The question then is, are the 146's at NJS being returned at the end of lease or are they also being redeployed to other regional centers? I understand that three of them are up for renewal at the end of the year.
Are there any rumours of the 146 doing other flying other than maybe the CB-AD-CB run again?
Are there any rumours of the 146 doing other flying other than maybe the CB-AD-CB run again?
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I heard a rumour that 146s would be doing MEL-LST again.
I want to know where this other plane is coming from to do the BNE-ROK flying. Are Impulse dropping OOL again? (Remembering that we were told OOL flying and crew base would go through to March '03) Or another route?
I want to know where this other plane is coming from to do the BNE-ROK flying. Are Impulse dropping OOL again? (Remembering that we were told OOL flying and crew base would go through to March '03) Or another route?