Alliance E190 taxi speeds
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Is this a genuine thread? I’m not sure whether to laugh at 44 posts on taxi speed in an RPT jet of laugh at the idea that some folks think it’s unsafe to taxi at the manufacturer/company SOP max speed. Assuming you hold an ATPL, you should be able to work out when it’s safe to taxi at 30kts (I have no idea what the Ejet max is).
I remember the 737 classic had a wobble at 17 kts, you either went above or below, problem solved. I haven’t seen a similar issue on other types. As for 30 kts, I’ve never felt unsafe doing it in a straight line. Sorry to add post #45…….FOMO.
I remember the 737 classic had a wobble at 17 kts, you either went above or below, problem solved. I haven’t seen a similar issue on other types. As for 30 kts, I’ve never felt unsafe doing it in a straight line. Sorry to add post #45…….FOMO.
Is this a genuine thread? I’m not sure whether to laugh at 44 posts on taxi speed in an RPT jet of laugh at the idea that some folks think it’s unsafe to taxi at the manufacturer/company SOP max speed. Assuming you hold an ATPL, you should be able to work out when it’s safe to taxi at 30kts (I have no idea what the Ejet max is).
I remember the 737 classic had a wobble at 17 kts, you either went above or below, problem solved. I haven’t seen a similar issue on other types. As for 30 kts, I’ve never felt unsafe doing it in a straight line. Sorry to add post #45…….FOMO.
I remember the 737 classic had a wobble at 17 kts, you either went above or below, problem solved. I haven’t seen a similar issue on other types. As for 30 kts, I’ve never felt unsafe doing it in a straight line. Sorry to add post #45…….FOMO.
Hey the Austronauts have to stroke their ego every now and then!
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Whilst here I will now whine about the idiots who have NFI where a hold point line is and stop short and hold up traffic behind. Aircraft off 16R at YSSY at intersections F,B3/4 are prime offenders. Actually work out where your nose is and move the $&*k up.
rant over.
rant over.
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Taxiing accidents have long been among the least forgivable and career ending mishaps in the industry. But there can be other dangers.
In my old and now defunct airline the most unacceptable and dangerous taxi speed was one that would get you on blocks at just a few minutes prior to 2300 local time on the last sector back to base. Given that after 2300 local up to 14 underpaid cabin crew would be compensated taxi fare from CLK to their homes, which for many werein the dark and mysterious depths of the Kowloon peninsula, despite being one of the safest cities in the world at the time. Cockpit crews would be reminded of this prior to the last departure and during the sector and woe betide any cockpit crew arriving within 5 minutes prior to that magic hour. So -10 kt taxiing or many other devious manoeuvres were carried out to ensure the parking brake was not set and on blocks time recorded as 2301 local.
And thus the endless supply of Terimisu and other goodies would continue right up to retirement. The following heart attack months later serves as a reminder but I still get Christmas cards from a few of those appreciative FAs.
And I should add that this was not the reason the airline is now defunct.
In my old and now defunct airline the most unacceptable and dangerous taxi speed was one that would get you on blocks at just a few minutes prior to 2300 local time on the last sector back to base. Given that after 2300 local up to 14 underpaid cabin crew would be compensated taxi fare from CLK to their homes, which for many werein the dark and mysterious depths of the Kowloon peninsula, despite being one of the safest cities in the world at the time. Cockpit crews would be reminded of this prior to the last departure and during the sector and woe betide any cockpit crew arriving within 5 minutes prior to that magic hour. So -10 kt taxiing or many other devious manoeuvres were carried out to ensure the parking brake was not set and on blocks time recorded as 2301 local.
And thus the endless supply of Terimisu and other goodies would continue right up to retirement. The following heart attack months later serves as a reminder but I still get Christmas cards from a few of those appreciative FAs.
And I should add that this was not the reason the airline is now defunct.
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Taxiing accidents have long been among the least forgivable and career ending mishaps in the industry. But there can be other dangers.
In my old and now defunct airline the most unacceptable and dangerous taxi speed was one that would get you on blocks at just a few minutes prior to 2300 local time on the last sector back to base. Given that after 2300 local up to 14 underpaid cabin crew would be compensated taxi fare from CLK to their homes, which for many werein the dark and mysterious depths of the Kowloon peninsula, despite being one of the safest cities in the world at the time. Cockpit crews would be reminded of this prior to the last departure and during the sector and woe betide any cockpit crew arriving within 5 minutes prior to that magic hour. So -10 kt taxiing or many other devious manoeuvres were carried out to ensure the parking brake was not set and on blocks time recorded as 2301 local.
And thus the endless supply of Terimisu and other goodies would continue right up to retirement. The following heart attack months later serves as a reminder but I still get Christmas cards from a few of those appreciative FAs.
And I should add that this was not the reason the airline is now defunct.
In my old and now defunct airline the most unacceptable and dangerous taxi speed was one that would get you on blocks at just a few minutes prior to 2300 local time on the last sector back to base. Given that after 2300 local up to 14 underpaid cabin crew would be compensated taxi fare from CLK to their homes, which for many werein the dark and mysterious depths of the Kowloon peninsula, despite being one of the safest cities in the world at the time. Cockpit crews would be reminded of this prior to the last departure and during the sector and woe betide any cockpit crew arriving within 5 minutes prior to that magic hour. So -10 kt taxiing or many other devious manoeuvres were carried out to ensure the parking brake was not set and on blocks time recorded as 2301 local.
And thus the endless supply of Terimisu and other goodies would continue right up to retirement. The following heart attack months later serves as a reminder but I still get Christmas cards from a few of those appreciative FAs.
And I should add that this was not the reason the airline is now defunct.
Back to Alliance. Mentioned above as a reason for taxiing slow is the amount of training going on. Pilot numbers and attrition haven’t stabilised? Is it really a great idea to have an airline in continuous training mode or should CASA force their hand and consider pilot turnover a matter an RPT operator, at his level, must address?
What airline around the world isn't in continuous training mode? I haven't seen Alliance come up in any ATSB reports recently and given they are heavily audited by QF and VA on safety (and OTP) it's probably a good indication that there are processes in place to make the operation safe. I think a lot of people forget the large amount of expats that came home and are still coming home, plus numerous operators for the QF and VA side that are at Alliance. The experience in the ranks on both the F100 and Ejet is significantly greater than people realise. I'm pretty certain the entire fleet aren't taxing around like snails but if some amoung them are, then theres probably a good reson.
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As we are all aware there is a lot of training happening with generally less experienced students so then slowing things down cannot be a bad mitigation.
You gave the problem away in your comments so let’s not beat around the bush. If pay was block or better, there’s no slow taxiing problem up until the flight time wanders beyond block. Seen it all before.
Wow, taxi speeds. Seriously? Get over it. Crews will taxi at a speed deemed appropriate, and not a speed deemed appropriate by someone on pprune. Honestly, some 'pilots' posting on here need to lighten up.
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