Pay expectations in Oz
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Pay expectations in Oz
It seems the pendulum of power has swung, with the worldwide pilot market, in the pilots’ favour. It would be interesting to get a gauge on what we all think we’re worth (base pay) given the money being splashed around in the US, ME and Europe.
SH jet Capt:
SH jet FO:
Where do you think you lie?
SH jet Capt:
- $150-$200
- $201-$250
- $251-$300
- $301-$350
- $351-$400
- $401-$450
- $451-$500+
SH jet FO:
- $99-$131
- $132-$165
- $166-$198
- $199-$231
- $232-$264
- $265-$297
- $298-$330+
Where do you think you lie?
Last edited by gordonfvckingramsay; 4th Mar 2024 at 07:49.
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4th Mar 2024, 09:54
Eighteen years ago I was driving a turboprop around the east coast, pay was a bit over $50 000 a year and I bought a house for $220 000. The same job now pays a bit over $100 000 a year, but the house I bought and still own is now worth well north of $800 000. Basically pay doubled and housing went up four fold. Even allowing for the fact that house prices are crazy, pilots are being well underpaid.
COVID trimmed the numbers with many early retirements and people who left aviation never to return. There was also a reduction of new starters who couldn’t train, or saw QF A380 Captains on the news driving buses and went into something else.
Pax numbers are bouncing back to, and exceeding pre COVID levels with a reduced pilot workforce available to fly them. It’s time we got paid what we're worth.
COVID trimmed the numbers with many early retirements and people who left aviation never to return. There was also a reduction of new starters who couldn’t train, or saw QF A380 Captains on the news driving buses and went into something else.
Pax numbers are bouncing back to, and exceeding pre COVID levels with a reduced pilot workforce available to fly them. It’s time we got paid what we're worth.
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Accounting for inflation etc
It seems the pendulum of power has swung, with the worldwide pilot market, in the pilots’ favour. It would be interesting to get a gauge on what we all think we’re worth (base pay) given the money being splashed around in the US, ME and Europe.
SH jet Capt:
SH jet FO:
Where do you think you lie?
SH jet Capt:
- $150-$200
- $201-$250
- $251-$300
- $301-$350
- $351-$400
- $401-$450
- $451-$500+
SH jet FO:
- $99-$131
- $132-$165
- $166-$198
- $199-$231
- $232-$264
- $265-$297
- $298-$330+
Where do you think you lie?
i will make an observation that over the last 5 years or so we have been subject to multiple wage freezes and high levels of inflation which has seen our real terms go backwards. The dropping levels of experience in our newer recruits attest to this. To change a favourite phrase of mine from field of dreams. “Pay them and they will come”
to answer your question above
Regional FO should earn minimum 100k
Regional CA $150
SH FO $200
SH CA $300-400
LH FO $300-350
LH CA 400-500
DT
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The reality is the employers here run off a mindset that a dollar over the award is a dollar too much.
Well, what about (dare I mention it) Qantas and AJ.
Seriously....has anyone ever mentioned or considered just how much things could have been better, had the People who actually make an Airline work (From Check-in Staff, Baggage Handlers, Flight Crew etc) been looked after and paid properly, if AJ had not been paid even half of his obscene salary, not to mention the 'bonuses.'
Just how much money does one individual need?
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Interesting considering the A220 most certainly won’t be doing regional flying.
If your sitting in the seat of a jet, at bare minimum you should be on 250k... any less is an insult, that is reality. Time for the Airlines to get with f..king reality!
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Eighteen years ago I was driving a turboprop around the east coast, pay was a bit over $50 000 a year and I bought a house for $220 000. The same job now pays a bit over $100 000 a year, but the house I bought and still own is now worth well north of $800 000. Basically pay doubled and housing went up four fold. Even allowing for the fact that house prices are crazy, pilots are being well underpaid.
COVID trimmed the numbers with many early retirements and people who left aviation never to return. There was also a reduction of new starters who couldn’t train, or saw QF A380 Captains on the news driving buses and went into something else.
Pax numbers are bouncing back to, and exceeding pre COVID levels with a reduced pilot workforce available to fly them. It’s time we got paid what we're worth.
COVID trimmed the numbers with many early retirements and people who left aviation never to return. There was also a reduction of new starters who couldn’t train, or saw QF A380 Captains on the news driving buses and went into something else.
Pax numbers are bouncing back to, and exceeding pre COVID levels with a reduced pilot workforce available to fly them. It’s time we got paid what we're worth.
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We are also assuming here that the employers are not actively colluding against the pilot workforce.
Which is one of the problems with having legal "minimum" wages.
The reality is the employers here run off a mindset that a dollar over the award is a dollar too much.
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Little do they realise but airline management are scoring an own goal. Already a significant pilot shortage, hundreds of new airframes on the way, overseas recruitment ramping up, new CPLs down, no hope of pumping out enough cadets to fill the vacant seats..... meanwhile they are busy trying to lower the conditions as much as possible. If their aim is to park all these new airframes against the fence, then they are going to succeed.
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Eighteen years ago I was driving a turboprop around the east coast, pay was a bit over $50 000 a year and I bought a house for $220 000. The same job now pays a bit over $100 000 a year, but the house I bought and still own is now worth well north of $800 000. Basically pay doubled and housing went up four fold. Even allowing for the fact that house prices are crazy, pilots are being well underpaid.
COVID trimmed the numbers with many early retirements and people who left aviation never to return. There was also a reduction of new starters who couldn’t train, or saw QF A380 Captains on the news driving buses and went into something else.
Pax numbers are bouncing back to, and exceeding pre COVID levels with a reduced pilot workforce available to fly them. It’s time we got paid what we're worth.
COVID trimmed the numbers with many early retirements and people who left aviation never to return. There was also a reduction of new starters who couldn’t train, or saw QF A380 Captains on the news driving buses and went into something else.
Pax numbers are bouncing back to, and exceeding pre COVID levels with a reduced pilot workforce available to fly them. It’s time we got paid what we're worth.
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