Middle East, Australian base.
My understanding is that with a tax treaty arrangement the ATO will recognize tax paid to an overseas authority and merely charge you the difference. With the ME however no such treaty exists so you'll be on the hook for the whole lot.
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Can you confirm Dnata doesn't collect PAYG witholding tax for their Australian employees?
If whoever the mystery suitor is set a subsidiary company employing pilots in Australia in the context of this thread, then they probably would do too. Working for a local subsidiary is different to a mere 'basing' however.
Id speculate DNATA (Australia) functions as a local subsidiary of its parent company - in which case those Australian employees would have thier payg collected.
If whoever the mystery suitor is set a subsidiary company employing pilots in Australia in the context of this thread, then they probably would do too. Working for a local subsidiary is different to a mere 'basing' however.
If whoever the mystery suitor is set a subsidiary company employing pilots in Australia in the context of this thread, then they probably would do too. Working for a local subsidiary is different to a mere 'basing' however.
If you join a Middle East airline with just a reverse roster, you technically are Middle East-based with a reverse roster. The roster will last as long as it suits them. You will probably be paid in some sought of Dirham or a Riyal, and in the absence of a tax treaty, once you take out Australian tax, will probably be very average pay. But hey, it will do wonders for SJS.
Wouldn’t DNATA staff be below the tax free threshold anyway?
That’s a tongue in cheek joke by the way. I would never suggest that a group of workers working for a subsidiary would be anywhere near the poverty line.
I guess the ‘good’ news is that we’re all living in one of the highest taxing nations in the world. As long as each country isn’t double dipping and the airline you’re looking at working for pays well, you’re in front. Also, you’re not beholden to our national airlines and the IR growth that seems to have metastasised within.
That’s a tongue in cheek joke by the way. I would never suggest that a group of workers working for a subsidiary would be anywhere near the poverty line.
I guess the ‘good’ news is that we’re all living in one of the highest taxing nations in the world. As long as each country isn’t double dipping and the airline you’re looking at working for pays well, you’re in front. Also, you’re not beholden to our national airlines and the IR growth that seems to have metastasised within.
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With the computer tie ups the ATO has I’m sure they would monitor non residents passports as they come thru immigration so they know how often you are in the country and if they think there is a chance to squeeze the lemon($$) they will do it.
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The mining sector has done this for yonks. Expect to pay full ATO rates, but who cares? You'd be on better equipment, better pay and better rosters than anything here in Aus. I hope some big carriers do it, they'll get plenty of quality applicants.
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InsaneO is onto it.
Find out the salary, calculate what tax is due on it with no smoke and mirrors, and then decide if the left overs are enough. It probably will be.
The second you start running grey lines around days in country and investment properties in Trusts etc etc, is the second that you’ll start stressing. It’ll either be worth it, or it won’t. The bloke talking about shuffling things around to make it work while you’re enjoying ice cream in the cruise at 3am is not stress free, ….at least I wasn’t.
Find out the salary, calculate what tax is due on it with no smoke and mirrors, and then decide if the left overs are enough. It probably will be.
The second you start running grey lines around days in country and investment properties in Trusts etc etc, is the second that you’ll start stressing. It’ll either be worth it, or it won’t. The bloke talking about shuffling things around to make it work while you’re enjoying ice cream in the cruise at 3am is not stress free, ….at least I wasn’t.
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I’d be getting proper advice on the topic firstly, and secondly those who with to play games with the ATO, well you will likely get caught in their web.
Cathay Pilots based locally played the system in the 90s and it worked for most of them, then computers got upgraded as time went on and data matching was a thing, then the ATO came knocking on the unknown to them prior, Sydney home address.
Don’t forget, for those operators who want to start an expat base here, know full well they will get a significant amount of applications, and when all things taken into account, will be on rates below narrow body local salaries, so it’s also an opportunity for them to pull back the overall wage bill. Just don’t bring your whinging on here if you’re earning less vs what you did at Virgin. You episode be better off looking at Chinese expat bases who pay significant.
Cathay Pilots based locally played the system in the 90s and it worked for most of them, then computers got upgraded as time went on and data matching was a thing, then the ATO came knocking on the unknown to them prior, Sydney home address.
Don’t forget, for those operators who want to start an expat base here, know full well they will get a significant amount of applications, and when all things taken into account, will be on rates below narrow body local salaries, so it’s also an opportunity for them to pull back the overall wage bill. Just don’t bring your whinging on here if you’re earning less vs what you did at Virgin. You episode be better off looking at Chinese expat bases who pay significant.
So much chat, so little chance this is going to be a thing...
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Four pages of rumors and tax advice
Does anyone actually have any solid information such as a company memo?
Wouldn't you expect the Middle East Forums to blow up with the good news - lots of silence over there instead
Does anyone actually have any solid information such as a company memo?
Wouldn't you expect the Middle East Forums to blow up with the good news - lots of silence over there instead
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They have new management, no requirement to keep the money ‘in country’ like UAE, so can’t say never. They could crew an entire base with experienced pilots from EK/EY with no training liability which would be a win for them as well. Also offset any crew loss to RIA. Interesting times.
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Saudi Arabian had many external crew bases throughout the 1980’s & 1990’s, with crew bases in Athens, Bangkok, Jeddah, London, Manila, New York, and Paris. Rumour has it that the new Saudi national carrier will revisit that model to attract crew for their fledgling airline.
Has to be Riyadh Air have heard they will be offering commutable contracts. Much better option than an Aus Base. How else are they going to attract type rated experienced crew.
Atlas now offering significant $ towards commuting
Kalitta…
National…
Korean offering commuting
Air Japan offering commuting
ANA offering commuting
Won’t be long all the Chinese carriers will be back at it
Atlas now offering significant $ towards commuting
Kalitta…
National…
Korean offering commuting
Air Japan offering commuting
ANA offering commuting
Won’t be long all the Chinese carriers will be back at it
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Wouldn’t DNATA staff be below the tax free threshold anyway?
That’s a tongue in cheek joke by the way. I would never suggest that a group of workers working for a subsidiary would be anywhere near the poverty line.
I guess the ‘good’ news is that we’re all living in one of the highest taxing nations in the world. As long as each country isn’t double dipping and the airline you’re looking at working for pays well, you’re in front. Also, you’re not beholden to our national airlines and the IR growth that seems to have metastasised within.
That’s a tongue in cheek joke by the way. I would never suggest that a group of workers working for a subsidiary would be anywhere near the poverty line.
I guess the ‘good’ news is that we’re all living in one of the highest taxing nations in the world. As long as each country isn’t double dipping and the airline you’re looking at working for pays well, you’re in front. Also, you’re not beholden to our national airlines and the IR growth that seems to have metastasised within.
Has to be Riyadh Air have heard they will be offering commutable contracts. Much better option than an Aus Base. How else are they going to attract type rated experienced crew.
Atlas now offering significant $ towards commuting
Kalitta…
National…
Korean offering commuting
Air Japan offering commuting
ANA offering commuting
Won’t be long all the Chinese carriers will be back at it
Atlas now offering significant $ towards commuting
Kalitta…
National…
Korean offering commuting
Air Japan offering commuting
ANA offering commuting
Won’t be long all the Chinese carriers will be back at it
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