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Old 6th Feb 2024, 09:00
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Originally Posted by 10JQKA
tiba in atc
tiba in arff
tiba in ansp management
tiba in regulator
tiba in dept
tiba minister
tiba fed gov
You forgot one TIBA in ATSB, that’s the only excuse for the joke of a report re MNG..no wonder there is no coroner’s inquiry…
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody
ASA should be sent the fuel bill for that.

Meanwhile the government bangs on about climate change and aviation yet some of the longest flights in the world can't even track direct because our government can't staff their own ATC system that they charge everyone for.
Neville, quite right! However if you look at the traffic in that airspace off the east coast during a TIBA doggo shift 1230-1830 last week on FR24 Replay there were a hell of a lot of jets going straight through the airspace and not going around like QFA095…. 1730 - 1830 very interesting….raises a whole lot of questions that will be asked on the TIBA thread
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Neville, quite right! However if you look at the traffic in that airspace off the east coast during a TIBA doggo shift 1230-1830 last week on FR24 Replay there were a hell of a lot of jets going straight through the airspace and not going around like QFA095…. 1730 - 1830 very interesting….raises a whole lot of questions that will be asked on the TIBA thread
Fixed tiba list. Answers to questions navbl due tiba in all entities.
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When people like RS survive as long as he has in ASA it tells you how putrid the organisation is. One thing saved Jase's neck after Broderick's reveiw, covid. Even if he goes in disgrace now, he's pulled in millions and will laugh at you all. The culture is a disease there, it's like multiple myeloma, it can go on 20 years. Government will never do anything about it because they simply do not understand ATC and never will. It's like voo-doo land.

ER BN, I'm the most cynical and sarcastic bastard in the world, I didn't pick Plasbaby's comment as sarcastic.
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Old 7th Feb 2024, 00:13
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Looks like the old navigating around the uncontrolled part of the 11% of the world's airspace managed by AUS trick ?
​​​​​Just to clarify - how much extra fuel, time and other costs would a longer route like that add?
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It looks like approximately an extra 500nm over the great circle route. So at least an hour flight time. Only a handful of people would really know what the actual cost of that is.
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Now we get a story that Airservices are not meeting their obligations with RFFS. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-...oast/103427882

At what point after the wheels have fallen off does the whole decaying infrastructure vehicle crash into the tree?
Co-incidence or delicious (intentional?) timing, CH9 ran a puff piece on Airservices Firies on the weekend.
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https://amp.theguardian.com/australi...www.google.com


On Tuesday, the Senate voted down a Coalition push for a committee to examine “the ongoing dysfunction in air space management”.

Go figure
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And if the Coalition were in government and Labor had pushed for the same examination, it would have been voted down.

That, children, is why CASA, ATSB and Airservices (among many other Commonwealth government agencies) are basket cases.
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Originally Posted by Lookleft
Now we get a story that Airservices are not meeting their obligations with RFFS. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-...oast/103427882

At what point after the wheels have fallen off does the whole decaying infrastructure vehicle crash into the tree?
All OK folks, there's nothing to see here. After all, the RFFS guys and gals at Ballina have been on their own watching RPT CTAF shenanigans for years with no tower and there's no smoking aircraft that they've had to extinguish...yet. She'll be right!

Just a friendly reminder on what's been promised in writing and then delayed, so far:

Ballina CTA: November 2023 > November 2024 > June 2025
Ballina TWR: June 2024 > June 2025 > November 2025
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Old 7th Feb 2024, 22:27
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Don't worry, the SFIS will prevent any accident at Ballina.

Oh wait ... I forgot the SFIS is frequently NOTAMed unavailable.

Lucky the roulette wheel is pretty big.
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Frequently heard around the corridors of power in Canberra,

"Minister/Sir/Ma'am, the peasants are revolting",

"You're telling me! All they do is complain about service delivery".
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On Tuesday, the Senate voted down a Coalition push for a committee to examine “the ongoing dysfunction in air space management”.

"A basic rule of government is never look into anything you don't have to. And never set up an inquiry unless you know in advance what its findings will be."
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It's borderline scary how close to the truth "Yes Minister" and "Utopia" are….
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
And if the Coalition were in government and Labor had pushed for the same examination, it would have been voted down.

That, children, is why CASA, ATSB and Airservices (among many other Commonwealth government agencies) are basket cases.
And why CASA, ATSB and Airservices need to be brought back into the Department with direct ministerial oversight.
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And why CASA, ATSB and Airservices need to be brought back into the Department with direct ministerial oversight.
OMG! You mean a government actually governing?

And having accountability?!?

Very courageous Minister!
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Old 8th Feb 2024, 22:36
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And why CASA, ATSB and Airservices need to be brought back into the Department with direct ministerial oversight.
Never!
One of the principal reasons bodies are set up as quangos / government-owned corporations is so that the politicians can avoid responsibility.
When stuff goes wrong, the Minister can blame the management and/or the Board, while pointing out that they are legally independent and it would be most improper for the Minister to direct them on an operational matter.
If the brown stuff really hits the whirly thing, the 'outraged' Minister can fire the Chair or the whole Board whilst weeping copious buckets of crocodile tears about how upset, disappointed and/or horrified he/she is.
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Old 9th Feb 2024, 01:11
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And why CASA, ATSB and Airservices need to be brought back into the Department with direct ministerial oversight.
ROTFALMAO!

What a lot of naive facile twaddle!

So how did Robodebt occur? The responsible departments were not QUANGOs!

Watch Nemesis and the responsible minister (ScoMo) say "Oh had I been told it was illegal...blah blah blah....

I don't think Lead Balloon was specifically choosing QUANGOs....

Sigh!

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Correct. I wasn't.

Defence is a basket case, Services Australia is a basket case, Veterans' Affairs is a basket case ....
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
And if the Coalition were in government and Labor had pushed for the same examination, it would have been voted down.

That, children, is why CASA, ATSB and Airservices (among many other Commonwealth government agencies) are basket cases.
The protection racket continues in Senate Estimates Monday 12 February 1245-1315 (just before the senators’ lunch break…)
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