Flights landing at SYD after curfew
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Flights landing at SYD after curfew
On the 20th December MAS 141, TGW 20, ETD 454 landed 1.5 hours post curfew after diverting earlier in the evening. Given the amount of political noise that is made over the SYD curfew how is it that dispensations are granted to foreign airlines that have already diverted? Why is it that domestic carriers have to do go-arounds at 23:00 but foreigners can divert and return well after midnight?? If you are going to have a curfew it has to be enforced equally otherwise it just becomes a farce.
On the 20th December MAS 141, TGW 20, ETD 454 landed 1.5 hours post curfew after diverting earlier in the evening. Given the amount of political noise that is made over the SYD curfew how is it that dispensations are granted to foreign airlines that have already diverted? Why is it that domestic carriers have to do go-arounds at 23:00 but foreigners can divert and return well after midnight?? If you are going to have a curfew it has to be enforced equally otherwise it just becomes a farce.
Previous thread: Sydney curfew dispensations being challenged
Curfew dispensations are a process under the Curfew Act. Carriers (domestic or foreign) being sent around at 23:00 is because they didn't arrive in time, didn't apply or didn't obtain a dispensation and generally were on a runway other than 34L.
Curfew dispensations - granted or denied as tabled to parliament.
Noise Airport Curfews Tabled Reports
You might have to wait a while, parliament is next scheduled to sit in the 2nd week of February.
On the 20th December MAS 141, TGW 20, ETD 454 landed 1.5 hours post curfew after diverting earlier in the evening. Given the amount of political noise that is made over the SYD curfew how is it that dispensations are granted to foreign airlines that have already diverted? Why is it that domestic carriers have to do go-arounds at 23:00 but foreigners can divert and return well after midnight?? If you are going to have a curfew it has to be enforced equally otherwise it just becomes a farce.
Admittedly many years ago, however we (a Qantas flight from NZ to Melbourne) diverted to Sydney when, after our departure, the Melbourne weather for which we had tempo fuel for thunderstorms, became "TTF Metar* - 200m in fog". From memory we landed on runway 34 in Sydney a bit after midnight and needless to say, got off and went home as we were not allowed to depart until after the curfew ended.
* Actually it was probably before TTF metars.
* Actually it was probably before TTF metars.
Last edited by C441; 20th Dec 2023 at 20:45.
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Curfew dispensations are a process under the Curfew Act. Carriers (domestic or foreign) being sent around at 23:00 is because they didn't arrive in time, didn't apply or didn't obtain a dispensation and generally were on a runway other than 34L.
What amazed me was the radio exchange I heard from Scoot departing MEL to SYD that night on their way back to SYD after 2300.
ATC—”Scoot *** the duty runway in SYD is 34L, the wind at SYD is 160/ 20 Gusting to 30, the runway is wet, IS RUNWAY 34L SUITABLE?”
SCOOT—”Scoot *** affirmative”
ATC—“ahhhh Roger……..”
What the actual F***
About 10 mins later ATC notified Scoot MH and Etihad they could expect runway 16R for your arrival”
The duty controller probably didn’t want multiple wide bodies piled up on the expressway….
ATC—”Scoot *** the duty runway in SYD is 34L, the wind at SYD is 160/ 20 Gusting to 30, the runway is wet, IS RUNWAY 34L SUITABLE?”
SCOOT—”Scoot *** affirmative”
ATC—“ahhhh Roger……..”
What the actual F***
About 10 mins later ATC notified Scoot MH and Etihad they could expect runway 16R for your arrival”
The duty controller probably didn’t want multiple wide bodies piled up on the expressway….
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I maybe wrong, but I believe that you will not be refused from landing during the curfew the company will just be fined for it. So, in that case I guess they just look at what costs them more, overnighting passengers, crew out of duty, onward delays with aircraft cycles, etc, or just paying the fine.
I maybe wrong, but I believe that you will not be refused from landing during the curfew the company will just be fined for it. So, in that case I guess they just look at what costs them more, overnighting passengers, crew out of duty, onward delays with aircraft cycles, etc, or just paying the fine.
7 Prohibition on taking off or landing during curfew periods
(1) An aircraft must not take off from, or land at, Sydney Airport during a curfew period, unless the take off or landing is permitted under Part 3.
(2) The operator of an aircraft commits an offence if:
(a) the operator engages in conduct; and
(b) the operator’s conduct results in a contravention of subsection (1).
Penalty: 1,000 penalty units.
(1) An aircraft must not take off from, or land at, Sydney Airport during a curfew period, unless the take off or landing is permitted under Part 3.
(2) The operator of an aircraft commits an offence if:
(a) the operator engages in conduct; and
(b) the operator’s conduct results in a contravention of subsection (1).
Penalty: 1,000 penalty units.
GF, JQ and TG have previously been fined for breaches.
An aircraft must not take off from, or land at, Sydney Airport during a curfew period, unless
They have a dispensation from the minister!
Yep, I understand the Secretary (or their delegate) may issue a dispensation until midnight, after midnight (sorry JJ Cale) the minister issues the approval.
The change of runway to 16R, mmm, that's an interesting one. Perhaps the ATCs on the night or the NCC made an executive decision.
The change of runway to 16R, mmm, that's an interesting one. Perhaps the ATCs on the night or the NCC made an executive decision.
