Joyce ‘retires’ early 👍
This isn’t going to happen. Why? Because Elaine will have a documented paper trail to the board telling them exactly what he was up to including the risks - and they will have signed off on it. If they try and claw back, he’ll be straight off to court and pleading that he’s being unfairly penalised for something the board told him to do. Why do you think the reluctance to throw him under the bus?
To paraphrase Midnight Oil - "When the General talks, you'd better listen to him." and "disagree, you get annihilated."
Why else, for example, would Todd Sampson sit there and do little more than observe when the brand, his supposed area of expertise, was/is getting trashed?
Simple. Why risk an easy $270,000 on top of your other salaries, by prodding the bully. A highly regarded Networks expert twice presented hard evidence to the board that Qantas could do very well with a presence on the east coast-HKG-LHR route despite Alan's insistence that PER-LHR was to be lauded as a 'game-changer' and nothing could distract from that. He was out the door within an hour after his second attempt.
Why else, for example, would Todd Sampson sit there and do little more than observe when the brand, his supposed area of expertise, was/is getting trashed?
Simple. Why risk an easy $270,000 on top of your other salaries, by prodding the bully. A highly regarded Networks expert twice presented hard evidence to the board that Qantas could do very well with a presence on the east coast-HKG-LHR route despite Alan's insistence that PER-LHR was to be lauded as a 'game-changer' and nothing could distract from that. He was out the door within an hour after his second attempt.
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Once you get your head around the fact that the joint is run like the best little Whore House in Texas or the worst local branch of the labor party, you’ll get the drift of the place.
It has a senior management culture of bullying your friends and enemies nearby, (think Strambi, Webster, hickey, Tino (insert any others who thought they may have made it to the top) before Alan drove the knife in. That’s corporate 101.
The major shareholders don’t give a flying about mum and dad investors, nor pilots and their careers or aspirations.
In a nutshell, Qf will remain, even if it was insolvent. (It will/would renationalise)
Fly the jet, park it, and walk away.
Any other considerations are a waste of time.
It has a senior management culture of bullying your friends and enemies nearby, (think Strambi, Webster, hickey, Tino (insert any others who thought they may have made it to the top) before Alan drove the knife in. That’s corporate 101.
The major shareholders don’t give a flying about mum and dad investors, nor pilots and their careers or aspirations.
In a nutshell, Qf will remain, even if it was insolvent. (It will/would renationalise)
Fly the jet, park it, and walk away.
Any other considerations are a waste of time.
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So has anyone used this in their PA yet?
"Hello everyone, I'd like to welcome you aboard this bundle of particular rights, ..."
"Hello everyone, I'd like to welcome you aboard this bundle of particular rights, ..."
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Hah. We were laughing about the same idea at breakfast this morning. I haven’t yet, but I only ever thank the punters solely on behalf of the crew and other employees of the airline. Bundle of rights my *ss
To paraphrase Midnight Oil - "When the General talks, you'd better listen to him." and "disagree, you get annihilated."
Why else, for example, would Todd Sampson sit there and do little more than observe when the brand, his supposed area of expertise, was/is getting trashed?
Simple. Why risk an easy $270,000 on top of your other salaries, by prodding the bully. A highly regarded Networks expert twice presented hard evidence to the board that Qantas could do very well with a presence on the east coast-HKG-LHR route despite Alan's insistence that PER-LHR was to be lauded as a 'game-changer' and nothing could distract from that. He was out the door within an hour after his second attempt.
Why else, for example, would Todd Sampson sit there and do little more than observe when the brand, his supposed area of expertise, was/is getting trashed?
Simple. Why risk an easy $270,000 on top of your other salaries, by prodding the bully. A highly regarded Networks expert twice presented hard evidence to the board that Qantas could do very well with a presence on the east coast-HKG-LHR route despite Alan's insistence that PER-LHR was to be lauded as a 'game-changer' and nothing could distract from that. He was out the door within an hour after his second attempt.
Qantas found guilty over stood-down safety rep
By Angelica SnowdenQantas is guilty of a criminal charge after standing down a health and safety representative in the early stages of the global pandemic, a NSW district court judge has found.
The case relates to a Safework NSW matter in which it accused Qantas of breaching part 6 of the Work Health and Safety Act and discriminating against Theo Seremetidis after he was stood down for performing duties as a health and safety representative.
He was stood down by Qantas after he advised colleagues to stop unsafe work on planes arriving from China in early 2020 due to Covid-19 exposure risks.
On Thursday, the court heard elements of the offence brought by SafeWork NSW were established beyond reasonable doubt and Qantas Ground Services is “guilty of the offence charged”.
They specifically related to standing down Mr Seremetidis “to his detriment” and the dominant reason for standing him down was a prohibited reason because he had exercised a power as a health and safety representative by directing workers to cease unsafe work.
Other charges relating to additional matters were dismissed.
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The full article, will Elaine’s sister apologise, will Elaine’s bonus be docked or will they just do what they normally do?
The case relates to a Safework NSW matter in which it accused Qantas of breaching part 6 of the Work Health and Safety Act and discriminating against Theo Seremetidis after he was stood down for performing duties as a health and safety representative.
He was stood down by Qantas after he advised colleagues to stop unsafe work on planes arriving from China in early 2020 due to Covid-19 exposure risks.
On Thursday, the court heard elements of the matter brought by SafeWork NSW were established beyond reasonable doubt and Qantas Ground Services is “guilty of the offence charged”.
They specifically related to standing down Mr Seremetidis “to his detriment” and the dominant reason for standing him down was a prohibited reason because he had exercised a power as a health and safety representative by directing workers to cease unsafe work.
Other charges relating to additional matters were dismissed.
It is the first legal test of uniform work health and safety laws. The prosecution was brought after a complaint from the Transport Workers Union to SafeWork NSW on behalf of Mr Seremetidis.
ACCC chief doubles down on Qantas ghost flight case debacle
Judge David Russell said he accepted SafeWork NSW’s submissions that Qantas Ground Services “actively sidelined” Mr Seremetidis.
“Firstly … by cutting him off from other staff who were seeking his help,” he said.
“And secondly, by standing him down and requiring him to leave the airport forthwith.
“I find that (Qantas Ground Services) saw the giving of the directions by Mr Seremetidis to cease work as a threat to the conduct of business and in particular, a threat to the ability of (Qantas Ground Services) to clean and service aircraft and get them back in the air.”
Judge Russell also said he formed a “favourable impression” of Mr Seremetidis, whose evidence extended over a number of days.
“I formed the view that he attempted to carry out his duties as a health and safety representative conscientiously and carefully,” he said.
TWU President and NSW/Qld Secretary Richard Olsen welcomed the verdict on SafeWork NSW’s primary charge.
“This is a fantastic result. Theo is a workplace hero and today he has been vindicated. When the TWU urged SafeWork NSW to prosecute this case, Theo courageously took on one of Australia’s biggest corporate bullies and won,” he said.
“Qantas not only ignored the concerns of Theo and his colleagues, but set out to punish and silence him for acting in his role as a highly trained HSR.”
TWU National Secretary Michael Kaine said the “landmark” decision will make workplaces safer.
“How Qantas responds to this verdict will be one of the first tests of the promise made by the airline that it has turned over a new leaf. Historically, Qantas has dragged out every possible legal challenge, with Goyder still refusing to accept that illegally outsourcing 1700 ground and fleet presentation workers was wrong,” he said
By ANGELICA SNOWDEN
- 10:24AM NOVEMBER 16, 2023
The case relates to a Safework NSW matter in which it accused Qantas of breaching part 6 of the Work Health and Safety Act and discriminating against Theo Seremetidis after he was stood down for performing duties as a health and safety representative.
He was stood down by Qantas after he advised colleagues to stop unsafe work on planes arriving from China in early 2020 due to Covid-19 exposure risks.
On Thursday, the court heard elements of the matter brought by SafeWork NSW were established beyond reasonable doubt and Qantas Ground Services is “guilty of the offence charged”.
They specifically related to standing down Mr Seremetidis “to his detriment” and the dominant reason for standing him down was a prohibited reason because he had exercised a power as a health and safety representative by directing workers to cease unsafe work.
Other charges relating to additional matters were dismissed.
It is the first legal test of uniform work health and safety laws. The prosecution was brought after a complaint from the Transport Workers Union to SafeWork NSW on behalf of Mr Seremetidis.
ACCC chief doubles down on Qantas ghost flight case debacle
Judge David Russell said he accepted SafeWork NSW’s submissions that Qantas Ground Services “actively sidelined” Mr Seremetidis.
“Firstly … by cutting him off from other staff who were seeking his help,” he said.
“And secondly, by standing him down and requiring him to leave the airport forthwith.
“I find that (Qantas Ground Services) saw the giving of the directions by Mr Seremetidis to cease work as a threat to the conduct of business and in particular, a threat to the ability of (Qantas Ground Services) to clean and service aircraft and get them back in the air.”
Judge Russell also said he formed a “favourable impression” of Mr Seremetidis, whose evidence extended over a number of days.
“I formed the view that he attempted to carry out his duties as a health and safety representative conscientiously and carefully,” he said.
TWU President and NSW/Qld Secretary Richard Olsen welcomed the verdict on SafeWork NSW’s primary charge.
“This is a fantastic result. Theo is a workplace hero and today he has been vindicated. When the TWU urged SafeWork NSW to prosecute this case, Theo courageously took on one of Australia’s biggest corporate bullies and won,” he said.
“Qantas not only ignored the concerns of Theo and his colleagues, but set out to punish and silence him for acting in his role as a highly trained HSR.”
TWU National Secretary Michael Kaine said the “landmark” decision will make workplaces safer.
“How Qantas responds to this verdict will be one of the first tests of the promise made by the airline that it has turned over a new leaf. Historically, Qantas has dragged out every possible legal challenge, with Goyder still refusing to accept that illegally outsourcing 1700 ground and fleet presentation workers was wrong,” he said
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Richard Olsen from the TWU also said that the court's ruling puts a "question mark" over the legacy of former chief executive Alan Joyce, and that "We need to reset this company".
I'd say that most QF staff, customers, FF Members, investors and most other associated unions couldn't agree more, but good luck trying to 'reset' QF while the present bunch of lunatics, including (mis)management and the Board, are running the asylum.
So far Hudson and the ineffectual QF Board are showing absolutely no sign or intention of fixing anything, and it looks like they haven't got a clue how to anyway.
Richard Olsen from the TWU also said that the court's ruling puts a "question mark" over the legacy of former chief executive Alan Joyce, and that "We need to reset this company".
I'd say that most QF staff, customers, FF Members, investors and most other associated unions couldn't agree more, but good luck trying to 'reset' QF while the present bunch of lunatics, including (mis)management and the Board, are running the asylum.
So far Hudson and the ineffectual QF Board are showing absolutely no sign or intention of fixing anything, and it looks like they haven't got a clue how to anyway.
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I couldn’t agree more with you however until the board under a new chairperson realise that they all have collectively been main lining the koolaid for to long and bring in an outsider with considerable operation airline experience nothing will change.
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I don’t think Hudson is going to last more than 18 months. She seems like a deer in the headlights with zero clue what to do.
She should have immediately distanced herself from Voldemort’s 15 year reign of terror. Instead, she thanked him 🤦♂️
She should stop saying sorry to customers and instead start acting sorry.
She should have disengaged completely from the thinking that an airline can set social and political policy - and just focused on getting people from A to B safely, efficiently and on-time.
Her number one priority must be stopping the current trajectory of Qantas essentially becoming a pimp between once loyal Aussie customers and cheap contractors.
I honestly don’t think she has any clue where to even start.
The former CEO’s strategy was to tie his own extravagant remuneration to easily achieved targets, remove anyone who disagreed, slash long term investment for short term personal gain, and sail into the sunset with his own pockets full.
Suddenly the world has realised all that remains is the gutted shell of a once great airline, and all the kool-aid drinkers at head office are scratching their heads wondering how to run an airline with inefficient 25 year old airframes and pissed off staff.
She should have immediately distanced herself from Voldemort’s 15 year reign of terror. Instead, she thanked him 🤦♂️
She should stop saying sorry to customers and instead start acting sorry.
She should have disengaged completely from the thinking that an airline can set social and political policy - and just focused on getting people from A to B safely, efficiently and on-time.
Her number one priority must be stopping the current trajectory of Qantas essentially becoming a pimp between once loyal Aussie customers and cheap contractors.
I honestly don’t think she has any clue where to even start.
The former CEO’s strategy was to tie his own extravagant remuneration to easily achieved targets, remove anyone who disagreed, slash long term investment for short term personal gain, and sail into the sunset with his own pockets full.
Suddenly the world has realised all that remains is the gutted shell of a once great airline, and all the kool-aid drinkers at head office are scratching their heads wondering how to run an airline with inefficient 25 year old airframes and pissed off staff.
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good luck trying to 'reset' QF while the present bunch of lunatics, including (mis)management and the Board, are running the asylum.
‘How to run an airline with inefficient 25 year old airframes and pissed off staff.’
Sums it all up nicely, I have never seen such a disengaged workgroup. The mere mention of Qantas Group wage policy etc just brings a one finger salute from once loyal staff. There is only so many times you can hear ‘if we give you that we may have to shut down the airline’ before you respond by saying ‘go for it’!
Sums it all up nicely, I have never seen such a disengaged workgroup. The mere mention of Qantas Group wage policy etc just brings a one finger salute from once loyal staff. There is only so many times you can hear ‘if we give you that we may have to shut down the airline’ before you respond by saying ‘go for it’!
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I don’t think Hudson is going to last more than 18 months. She seems like a deer in the headlights with zero clue what to do.
She should have immediately distanced herself from Voldemort’s 15 year reign of terror. Instead, she thanked him 🤦♂️
She should stop saying sorry to customers and instead start acting sorry.
She should have disengaged completely from the thinking that an airline can set social and political policy - and just focused on getting people from A to B safely, efficiently and on-time.
Her number one priority must be stopping the current trajectory of Qantas essentially becoming a pimp between once loyal Aussie customers and cheap contractors.
I honestly don’t think she has any clue where to even start.
The former CEO’s strategy was to tie his own extravagant remuneration to easily achieved targets, remove anyone who disagreed, slash long term investment for short term personal gain, and sail into the sunset with his own pockets full.
Suddenly the world has realised all that remains is the gutted shell of a once great airline, and all the kool-aid drinkers at head office are scratching their heads wondering how to run an airline with inefficient 25 year old airframes and pissed off staff.
She should have immediately distanced herself from Voldemort’s 15 year reign of terror. Instead, she thanked him 🤦♂️
She should stop saying sorry to customers and instead start acting sorry.
She should have disengaged completely from the thinking that an airline can set social and political policy - and just focused on getting people from A to B safely, efficiently and on-time.
Her number one priority must be stopping the current trajectory of Qantas essentially becoming a pimp between once loyal Aussie customers and cheap contractors.
I honestly don’t think she has any clue where to even start.
The former CEO’s strategy was to tie his own extravagant remuneration to easily achieved targets, remove anyone who disagreed, slash long term investment for short term personal gain, and sail into the sunset with his own pockets full.
Suddenly the world has realised all that remains is the gutted shell of a once great airline, and all the kool-aid drinkers at head office are scratching their heads wondering how to run an airline with inefficient 25 year old airframes and pissed off staff.
picked her because she has known what the board wants the whole time.
I wouldn’t give her too much credit, she was an XO under a Captain who would have had her locked in the brig for suggesting he ran the place properly. She probably just kept saying “aye aye captain” and banked the paycheque, just like the board have been doing. The problem for her is that the board will follow the gravy train, and there ain’t one. Alan picked the carcass so dry, marrow and all, and it will take someone with godlike business acumen and leadership to save us, I haven’t seen anyone like that stalking the street.
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Optus has had a horrific two weeks, but it still can’t hold a candle to Qantas
Optus and Qantas might both be poor at communication when they stuff up, but the airline's illegal behaviour is far worse than that of the telecommunications provider.BERNARD KEANE
NOV
It’s not often that yet another Qantas scandal around its illegal behaviour gets trumped by a display of hubris and poor service by some other major company. Having walked around with targets on their backs for much of the year, Qantas’ executives and its three-wise-monkeys board of directors must be delighted that Optus has absorbed media attention for last week’s outage and its ensuing communications failure — complete with comparisons in the Financial Review of CEO Kelly Bayer Rosmarin’s response with those of the airline to its many scandals.
Bayer Rosmarin is now reportedly considering stepping down — which would instantly elevate her above the parade of clowns at Qantas, who have grimly clung onto their chairman’s lounge access, right up to Alan Joyce, the unflushable turd of Australian business, who was only pushed out, mere weeks from his retirement date, when the ACCC came brandishing multi-hundred-million dollar fines earlier this year.
Optus’ outage appears less related to Qantas-style behaviour — a blatant contempt for customers, a commitment to reducing levels of service, underinvestment as a key corporate strategy, and unlawful treatment of its employees — than human error and the grim fact that infrastructure, no matter how gold-plated, occasionally breaks down. Telecommunications, along with aviation, is naturally a core area in the relentlessly expanding area of “critical infrastructure” regulation by government — that once covered four sectors, but now extends to a mighty 11 — the primary effect of which has been to simply raise regulatory barriers to entry in sectors already prone to monopolies and oligopolies. Certainly, more than two decades of critical infrastructure meetings between industry and bureaucrats (I endured some in my former life), and steadily creeping regulation didn’t do much to protect Optus customers last week.
Bayer Rosmarin’s sins — sure to be forensically examined at the inevitable Senate inquiry today — are instead around communication, at which Optus undoubtedly failed, but for which another problem seemed to be that the company wouldn’t tell people what they wanted to hear, i.e. that their services were about to be restored, mainly because it had little idea itself. What they did reflect is a persistent theme about how out-of-touch senior Australian business figures can be from what their customers expect. That Bayer Rosmarin and her executives failed to learn from the savage criticism of Optus’ communication about its hacking a year ago says much about their poor grasp of consumer sentiment. So much for the neoliberal idea that markets are the ultimate democracy and somehow channel the needs and wants of the public better than a ballot box can.
But Qantas’ conduct was — once again — far worse. It stood down employee Theo Seremetidiswho raised safety concerns — “namely the risk of workers contracting COVID-19 while cleaning and servicing planes arriving from China”, in early 2020, in the words of the presiding judge. Qantas graciously “acknowledged the findings of the NSW District Court” in response — rather than, presumably, announcing it was seceding from NSW and the nation-state of Mascot would henceforth be its home.
Qantas’ treatment of Seremetidis looks a lot like punishment of a whistleblower, as well as an attempt to ignore justified safety concerns. Its conduct is of a piece with its illegal sacking of 1,700 staff during the pandemic, and its alleged industrial-scale breaches of consumer law in relation to ghost flights.
If the ACCC is successful in its prosecution over the ghost flights — overcoming the airline’s asinine “we don’t sell tickets” defence — then the verdict will be in on the Alan Joyce-era Qantas: it was a relentless lawbreaker that engaged in unlawful conduct in relation to its employees, its customers and safety.
What will Qantas’ response to the Seremetidis decision be? Its usual strategy of relentless litigation, if necessary all the way to the High Court? If so, the claim of CEO Vanessa Hudson that somehow Qantas has entered a new and better era will be proven hollow indeed
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If Hudson is claiming that somehow Qantas has entered a new and better era, then she’s clearly delusional.
So far she seems to have done absolutely nothing to benefit customers or staff, and we certainly aren’t seeing anyone at Qantas displaying any business acumen or leadership as gordonfvckingramsay has correctly pointed out at #796, that’s for sure!
Both the Qantas Board and (mis)management seem to have zero awareness about just how much reputational and brand damage has been done (and continues to be done), or that they have responsibility for that damage, and the Seremetidis event is just latest episode of the incompetence of Qantas (mis)management.
And judging by the way things are done at Qantas, it won’t be the last.
Despite the bull**** fauxpologies from Goyder and (mis)management, there’s no accountability for, or ownership of, the myriad of problems that they’ve caused, and there’s also nothing to show that they understand the purpose of Qantas, and that it isn’t there solely for the purpose of enriching themselves while treating customers and staff like ****.
So far she seems to have done absolutely nothing to benefit customers or staff, and we certainly aren’t seeing anyone at Qantas displaying any business acumen or leadership as gordonfvckingramsay has correctly pointed out at #796, that’s for sure!
Both the Qantas Board and (mis)management seem to have zero awareness about just how much reputational and brand damage has been done (and continues to be done), or that they have responsibility for that damage, and the Seremetidis event is just latest episode of the incompetence of Qantas (mis)management.
And judging by the way things are done at Qantas, it won’t be the last.
Despite the bull**** fauxpologies from Goyder and (mis)management, there’s no accountability for, or ownership of, the myriad of problems that they’ve caused, and there’s also nothing to show that they understand the purpose of Qantas, and that it isn’t there solely for the purpose of enriching themselves while treating customers and staff like ****.
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Just playing devil's advocate here for a bit.
Media writers and readers of Pprune are keeping QF's behaviour at the front of mind - we read here, we back each other up, we argue, we learn new stuff. It's still active
as far as we are concerned. But the average punter - have they turned away from QF in any effective way? It looks like just as many people in the QF terminals. I'm not
so sure it has changed the punter's travelling habits. I hope it has. But like hearing that someone you hardly know has got a terminal disease - we forget about it and get on
with our own lives.
I hope the rhetoric continues - I'm just sceptical about the true outcomes. I also hope Pruners can give me examples of where it has all hurt QF.
Media writers and readers of Pprune are keeping QF's behaviour at the front of mind - we read here, we back each other up, we argue, we learn new stuff. It's still active
as far as we are concerned. But the average punter - have they turned away from QF in any effective way? It looks like just as many people in the QF terminals. I'm not
so sure it has changed the punter's travelling habits. I hope it has. But like hearing that someone you hardly know has got a terminal disease - we forget about it and get on
with our own lives.
I hope the rhetoric continues - I'm just sceptical about the true outcomes. I also hope Pruners can give me examples of where it has all hurt QF.
Internationally there are dozens of commercial upgrade requests on most flights. Could it be that the Frequent Flyers are disposing of their points via upgrade requests (as international rewards seats are a rare commodity) before moving to another FF program?