Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
Reload this Page >

Joyce ‘retires’ early 👍

Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific Airline and RPT Rumours & News in Australia, enZed and the Pacific

Joyce ‘retires’ early 👍

Old 9th Oct 2023, 22:08
  #521 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Skating away on the thin ice of a new day.
Posts: 1,116
Received 13 Likes on 8 Posts
I was just reading that piece on the abc site. It took far too long but it's good to finally see what an appalling job Joyce did out in the open. Particularly in light of the obscene pay he received.

On another tack, I watched Peter Harbison on The Business last night in an interview with Kirsten Aiken. It was like a watching a kid trying to avoid dobbing his mate in for doing something wrong. I daresay his chairman's lounge membership will be renewed for life.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/programs...ntas/102954152

Last edited by ampclamp; 9th Oct 2023 at 22:28.
ampclamp is offline  
Old 9th Oct 2023, 23:14
  #522 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Equatorial
Age: 51
Posts: 1,067
Received 124 Likes on 61 Posts
And… https://stocks.apple.com/symbol/QAN.AX
Global Aviator is offline  
Old 10th Oct 2023, 04:46
  #523 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: sydney
Posts: 1,622
Received 600 Likes on 170 Posts

Senate inquiry report into Qatar decision has a giant Joyce-shaped hole

Qantas CEO Vanessa Hudson is experiencing a baptism of fire, as Alan Joyce goes missing during the Senate inquiry.

MICHAEL SAINSBURY

OCT 10, 2023

2

Give this article
QANTAS CEO VANESSA HUDSON (IMAGE: AAP/LUKAS COCH)The parlous state of competition in Australia’s airline industry has been laid bare in the report by the Senate inquiry into the Albanese government’s decision to deny Qatar Airways a doubling of its 28 flights a week into Australia.

And as Greens Senator Penny Allman-Payne said in her welcome dissenting report, it’s not just changes to allow better competition that are needed to fix all the problems the sector — and the countless millions of people that use it — are experiencing.

The committee believes the government should immediately review the decision. It also said that airfare price monitoring by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) — for which funding was cut by the government in June — should be reinstated and that the competition watchdog should launch an investigation into anti-competitive behaviour in the domestic aviation market.

From Qantas to PwC, corporate greed is rotting Australia from the inside out

Read MoreIt also recommended, as previously advocated by Crikey, that the government should implement consumer protections for significant delays, cancellations, lost baggage and the devaluation of loyalty programs — many of which are available to consumers in North America, the EU and elsewhere.

And, finally, the prospect of breaking up Qantas has been canvassed. Forcing it to divest Jetstar would be a quick route to better competition — and a potential win for shareholders. The inquiry found that competition reforms could include “potential divestiture powers to remedy any misuse of market power”. Former ACCC chair Allan Fels said he was “strongly in favour” of divestiture powers: “I believe it would have a very big effect on behaviour, including by Qantas.”

It’s worth noting that the inquiry — and so the report — had a gaping hole. Everyone remains in the dark as to what conversations took place between Qantas and the federal government because neither Transport Minister Catherine King nor Qantas’ departed chief executive Alan Joyce would appear before the committee. It seems Joyce is so busy whooping it up on his millions in Europe he has no time for even a video conference. Shame on him.

“Despite lengthy questioning of the Qantas chair and new chief executive officer, there were questions unable to be satisfactorily answered for which the evidence suggests Mr Joyce will likely hold the answers,” the report said.

Committee chair Senator Bridget McKenzie — who may have finally found her calling via a sparkling performance at the hearings — said the government “sought to prevent the committee from fully investigating the reasons why additional Qatar Airways flights were rejected by refusing to release documents and placing a gag on the infrastructure and foreign affairs departments”.

She added: “The committee heard evidence that Australians could have been enjoying cheaper flights to Europe and the Middle East as early as April this year had the government approved additional Qatar Airways flights, and that Turkish Airlines had planned to offer additional flights in time for families to reunite overseas this Christmas.”

‘Nothing like that in Australia’: Amid Qantas’ IT woes, it’s time for proper customer refund protections

Read MoreIn the Greens’ dissenting report, Allman-Payne wrote: “Customers and Qantas’ own employees have been paying the price for Qantas’ ‘dominant firm’ status, through a series of outcomes Australian consumers are all too familiar with: Qantas sacked thousands of workers during the pandemic, despite receiving $2.7 billion in government assistance. The High Court has found that 1,700 of those workers were illegally sacked and their jobs outsourced. The ACCC is taking legal action against Qantas for selling tickets on flights that had already been cancelled. Qantas was the ACCC’s most complained about company two years in a row.

“Despite this, Qantas posted a record $2.4 billion profit last year, and their former CEO Alan Joyce’s final pay cheque was $21.4 million. In this period Qantas’ domestic fares increased by over 20% on pre-pandemic prices and international fares increased by over 50%.

“The new CEO and continued [sic] board chair gave evidence to this inquiry that showed no indication these practices would not continue. The new CEO defended the size of the former CEO’s pay, and the board chair defended the illegal outsourcing of workers, with no indications of remorse or a desire to change the approach Qantas has taken to date.”

Having more international flights into and out of Australia is a no-brainer as fares remain far higher than pre-COVID. It would improve things on European routes where the Qantas-Emirates alliance hold about a 53% market share — the vast piece of which (91 out of 113 weekly flights — a statistic Hudson conveniently could not remember at the committee hearing) is actually Emirates business. Qantas simply clips a no-risk ticket without the pesky business of having to fly planes.

The belated submission by Qantas, which landed on Friday only after being demanded by McKenzie, darkly warned the government against reviewing the decision, citing all sorts of mumbo jumbo about bilateral services agreements — all of which are in the purview of governments. This is despite Hudson admitting to the inquiry that Qantas made its pleading with the government a year ago before travel had all but returned to normal on the basis that it would — at that time — have “distorted the market”. Now that the situation has changed, Qantas has found other reasons to not want more competition.

The Labor dissent was a bit whiny and unconstructive, mainly because it had to toe the party line. Labor Senator Tony Sheldon, a former Qantas union rep, has been a strong voice in the government against the airline’s power and must be frustrated.

“Indeed, throughout five public hearings and nearly 150 written submissions, this inquiry has not revealed any information that was not already on the public record before the inquiry began,” Labor senators wrote. Fair enough, but so far not much is being done — not least by the government.

Qantas pilots eye first strike in 57 years as top brass filibusters Senate committee

Read MoreHudson, of course, has more immediate problems on her hands than the slow-moving wheels of government. Today and tomorrow her industrial relations team are holding meetings with the Australian Federation of Air Pilots, the union that represents disgruntled pilots at three of the airline’s subsidiaries –Perth-based Network Aviation, Sydney-based Eastern Airlines and Brisbane-based Sunstate — who fly QantasLink as well as vital FIFO charter services in the west.

On Friday the main Qantas union, the Australian and International Pilots Association — which does not have much coverage in the regional subsidiaries — also said it would not support the Qantas Enterprise agreement that pays pilots 40% less than mainline pilots flying similar aircraft.

No-one on the pilot side is expecting much to happen as Qantas appears to be remaining firm and continuing its hard-line IR approach. This is likely to result in further industrial action which Qantas and the entire industry are watching — a situation that is more likely than at any time since the mass domestic pilots strike of 1989. Having backed Joyce’s strategy — and won the top job because of this — Hudson finds herself between a rock and a hard place barely a month into the job.

The company is also spreading misinformation, some of which is being swallowed by the mainstream media, about what the pilots and unions are demanding — a 50% pay rise being the most egregious example, unions say.

The external heat is rising on the threat of more competition and Hudson has a very serious internal IR problem. As well, her battered fleet and understaffed resources maintenance division mean that delays and cancellations continue to anger her customers every day. To say that the bean counter-turned boss is experiencing a baptism of fire is some understatement.
dragon man is online now  
The following 2 users liked this post by dragon man:
Old 10th Oct 2023, 05:49
  #524 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Down Under
Posts: 60
Received 12 Likes on 8 Posts
As an aside- wasn't Ms Hudson to have met with the baggage handlers/TWU by now?
joe_bloggs is offline  
Old 10th Oct 2023, 08:34
  #525 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Outofoz
Posts: 718
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes on 7 Posts
​​And, finally, the prospect of breaking up Qantas has been canvassed. Forcing it to divest Jetstar would be a quick route to better competition — and a potential win for shareholders.​​​​​
And watch them bail for the exits if Jetstar is forced to stand alone.
and no this isn’t pilots, it’s the managers. The ones who’ve covered their costs within those of Qantas since jetstars inception.
hotnhigh is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Old 10th Oct 2023, 22:18
  #526 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Down Under
Posts: 60
Received 12 Likes on 8 Posts

From ABC
Richard Goyder to retire as Qantas chairman ... next year

By David Chau

Qantas has revealed that its chairman Richard Goyder will retire before the company’s annual general meeting in late 2024.

The airline says a number of other board members will retire throughout the next year “in recognition of the reputational issues facing the Group and to support restoration of trust in the company”.

Non-executive director Michael L'estrange will retire at this year's AGM on November 3.

Jacqueline Hey and Maxine Brenner will retire when Qantas' half-year results are published in February next year.

My Goyder has been under increasing public pressure to leave Qantas, following the departure of former chief executive Alan Joyce.

The company's reputation was hurt in recent years by its poor customer service, frequently losing baggage, late-running and cancelled flights, and sharply increased airfare — while posting a record profit.

Its public standing was damaged further when the competition regulator (the ACCC) sued the airline in court for allegedly selling thousands of tickets for flights that it knew had already cancelled.

In addition, the High Court rules that the airline had illegally sacked 1,700 ground handling staff, under the leadership of Mr Goyder and Mr Joyce (as chairman and CEO).

In late September, Mr Goyder was grilled in a Senate inquiry, but dismissed calls for him to step down.

His decision to leave by next year's annual general meeting in November 2024 (instead of next month's AGM) shows he's continuing to defy public pressure.

Its share price has plummeted by more than 21% in the past three months.
joe_bloggs is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Old 10th Oct 2023, 22:25
  #527 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Australia/India
Posts: 5,283
Received 416 Likes on 207 Posts
Presumably Goyder is hanging around so that he can go on a swansong tour to give staff (and contractors) a chance to show their gratitude and respect. What could possibly go wrong?
Lead Balloon is online now  
The following 3 users liked this post by Lead Balloon:
Old 10th Oct 2023, 23:08
  #528 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 421
Likes: 0
Received 23 Likes on 14 Posts
Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
Presumably Goyder is hanging around so that he can go on a swansong tour to give staff (and contractors) a chance to show their gratitude and respect. What could possibly go wrong?
You'd be surprised if he makes it to November next year. It's more likely an "outstanding candidate" will be discovered who can take up the chairman role sooner.
1A_Please is offline  
Old 10th Oct 2023, 23:38
  #529 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Unfortunately not the Orient
Posts: 387
Likes: 0
Received 88 Likes on 32 Posts
Very odd announcement considering the previous reluctance. Could it be that the support from the shareholders he speaks of is no longer there or more believably never actually was and he’s trying to stop something embarrassing? Let’s hope so.
SandyPalms is offline  
Old 10th Oct 2023, 23:45
  #530 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: A semi-detached 3x2
Posts: 240
Received 225 Likes on 77 Posts
Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
Presumably Goyder is hanging around so that he can go on a swansong tour to give staff (and contractors) a chance to show their gratitude and respect. What could possibly go wrong?
I’d bet more on WSI coming in early and under budget than on Goyder being here until then.
walesregent is offline  
Old 10th Oct 2023, 23:51
  #531 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 133
Received 14 Likes on 9 Posts
Apparently Goyder has gone today 11th Oct..
Obba is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Old 11th Oct 2023, 00:14
  #532 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: 41S174E
Age: 57
Posts: 3,091
Received 468 Likes on 126 Posts
Apparently Goyder has gone today 11th Oct..
​​​​​​​Whats the source?
framer is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2023, 00:18
  #533 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Horn Island
Posts: 1,044
Received 33 Likes on 8 Posts
Originally Posted by framer
Whats the source?
https://amp.9news.com.au/article/92e...8-700206eadce8


​​​​​​​not soon enough I’m afraid.
RENURPP is online now  
Old 11th Oct 2023, 01:32
  #534 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Oz
Age: 68
Posts: 1,913
Received 295 Likes on 124 Posts
Meanwhile the Qantas Loyalty boss has just given herself a Myer board seat.

Company imploding, takes on other board seats. She should be the first one to go. Now is not the time to be taking other jobs!

New Chair will likely result in new CEO and Team, but just like Alan, Goyder is on a 12 month farewell tour, so hold on for another year or two of chaos.
PoppaJo is offline  
The following users liked this post:
Old 11th Oct 2023, 01:43
  #535 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 421
Likes: 0
Received 23 Likes on 14 Posts
Goyder's resignation is bad news for Hudson. She was a Goyder appointment and will be seen as part of the old guard that led Qantas into its current mess. A new chairman from outside the business will be looking to get their own CEO into the chair sooner rather than later.
1A_Please is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2023, 01:46
  #536 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Oz
Age: 68
Posts: 1,913
Received 295 Likes on 124 Posts
I would expect Hudson to ‘retire’ either before his departure or during the ‘crossover’ period between a new chairs.

The new chair will already have cherry picked the new boss before they officially start. The only issue is the waiting period now.
PoppaJo is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2023, 01:48
  #537 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Coal Face
Posts: 1,289
Received 325 Likes on 124 Posts
Originally Posted by 1A_Please
Goyder's resignation is bad news for Hudson. She was a Goyder appointment and will be seen as part of the old guard that led Qantas into its current mess. A new chairman from outside the business will be looking to get their own CEO into the chair sooner rather than later.
​​Five directors, including current CEO Vanessa Hudson, will compete in an election at this year's AGM for the chairman role.
https://amp.9news.com.au/article/92e...8-700206eadce8
Chronic Snoozer is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2023, 01:48
  #538 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: All over the Planet
Posts: 868
Received 12 Likes on 5 Posts
Meanwhile the Qantas Loyalty boss has just given herself a Myer board seat.
This is her third Board position. How can she be a fulltime Qantas employee and have these other responsible positions? Something must suffer.
Ken Borough is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2023, 02:11
  #539 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Australia/India
Posts: 5,283
Received 416 Likes on 207 Posts
If you were a Chairman's Lounge member, you'd know.
Lead Balloon is online now  
Old 11th Oct 2023, 02:59
  #540 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: S33E151
Posts: 1,086
Received 59 Likes on 29 Posts
“Mr Goyder maintains that illegally sacking 1700 employees was a good commercial decision. It would be a good commercial decision for me to rob a bank, but I can’t because it’s illegal,” said Mr Purvinas.
Brilliant!!
V-Jet is offline  
The following users liked this post:

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.