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Old 13th Sep 2023, 11:08
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Originally Posted by V-Jet
What pisses me off SO MUCH - is that Qantas WAS Australian. You gave your all for it like you were in the trenches. Because you represented Australia every single time you put your uniform on….

…A post script to this. I’m very right wing. VERY. But what staff have witnessed is destruction of everything they held (and were taught to hold) dear. Anyone reading this needs to know the start of ‘Union troubles’ at Qf were a result of cost cutting WAY beyond the pale. Cost cutting to the point of rape is where I saw valuable staff simply give up and accept that everyone at the company was into getting as much money out them as you could.

Just disgusting.
Mate this is the product of ‘don’t hamper businesses with red tape’ and ‘don’t let unions dictate etc etc’ and ‘the market will dictate ..’ and ‘wah wah over regulation’ and ‘corruption watchdog witch hunt…’
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Old 13th Sep 2023, 12:46
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Mate this is the product of ‘don’t hamper businesses with red tape’ and ‘don’t let unions dictate etc etc’ and ‘the market will dictate ..’ and ‘wah wah over regulation’ and ‘corruption watchdog witch hunt…’
Disagree. This is a TOTAL loss of any moral compass.

Hydson Fysh would be spinning in his grave so fast he’d be catching fire over this.
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Old 13th Sep 2023, 12:56
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Inside the Sydney Chairman's Lounge.
Christ, is that what it really looks like? Are there any pictures taken later than the seventies?
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Old 13th Sep 2023, 13:01
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Originally Posted by swingswong
Mate this is the product of ‘don’t hamper businesses with red tape’ and ‘don’t let unions dictate etc etc’ and ‘the market will dictate ..’ and ‘wah wah over regulation’ and ‘corruption watchdog witch hunt…’
Well, no. You will always get people like Joyce in any society. The people who are supposed to protect society from unbridled greed failed to do their job. The entire political class and regulating bodies did nothing until they could see the gravy train was coming off the rails.

Australia is not a particularly corrupt country, relatively speaking. But we surely are the most complacent
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Old 13th Sep 2023, 14:03
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Like everyone else I’m happy to see the back of Joyce and Qantas start to be held accountable.

I just hope there is a change of direction, that Qantas manages to weather the storm and come out the other side as a company that the staff & customers can get behind.

My concern is that the staff will be the ones who bear the brunt of all this “we can’t afford pay increases after the fines” etc etc or that the company will find itself in dire straits rather soon.

Hopefully Vanessa or her very quick successor will turn the ship around.
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Old 13th Sep 2023, 22:17
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Australia is not a particularly corrupt country, relatively speaking.
Open your eyes. Because it's not the type of corruption you're talking about doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Australia is about as corrupt as it gets, it's been that way since 1788.
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Old 13th Sep 2023, 22:47
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
Christ, is that what it really looks like? Are there any pictures taken later than the seventies?
Apart from the meal service you'd get, I'd take the Fiji Airways lounge in Nadi over that Qantas lounge any day of the week. Even the staff in Fiji were top notch.
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Old 13th Sep 2023, 23:43
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Originally Posted by Thumb War
Like everyone else I’m happy to see the back of Joyce and Qantas start to be held accountable.

I just hope there is a change of direction, that Qantas manages to weather the storm and come out the other side as a company that the staff & customers can get behind.

My concern is that the staff will be the ones who bear the brunt of all this “we can’t afford pay increases after the fines” etc etc or that the company will find itself in dire straits rather soon.

Hopefully Vanessa or her very quick successor will turn the ship around.
Shes been keeping a very low profile since the decision yesterday.
May realise her protected regime has come to an end.
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Old 13th Sep 2023, 23:51
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As Joe Aston said:
Sitting in Vanessa Hudson’s in-tray [is] the world’s largest, overflowing sick bag.
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Old 14th Sep 2023, 00:06
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Thumb War said:

I just hope there is a change of direction, that Qantas manages to weather the storm and come out the other side as a company that the staff & customers can get behind.
I don't think that's going to happen until the present discredited, ineffective and incompetent leadership at QF is replaced with effective, ethical, and transparent decision makers.
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Old 14th Sep 2023, 01:30
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I don't think that's going to happen until the present discredited, ineffective and incompetent leadership at QF is replaced with effective, ethical, and transparent decision makers.
Good luck trying to find such a leader in today’s corporate Australia.

The disconnect between executive level management and the reality of their worth has never been greater.
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Old 14th Sep 2023, 03:35
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The disconnect between executive level management and the reality of their worth has never been greater.
Here’s the comments of Australian property developer Tim Gurner (wealth approx $9.5 billion) at an event the other day:

“We need to see pain in the economy”.

“We need to remind people that they work for the employer, not the other way around,”

“There’s been a systematic change where employees feel the employer is extremely lucky to have them as opposed to the other way around. So it’s a dynamic that has to change. We’ve got to kill that attitude and that has to come through hurting the economy.

“We need to see unemployment rise, unemployment has to jump 40, 50 per cent.”
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Originally Posted by dr dre
Here’s the comments of Australian property developer Tim Gurner (wealth approx $9.5 billion) at an event the other day:

“We need to see pain in the economy”.

“We need to remind people that they work for the employer, not the other way around,”

“There’s been a systematic change where employees feel the employer is extremely lucky to have them as opposed to the other way around. So it’s a dynamic that has to change. We’ve got to kill that attitude and that has to come through hurting the economy.

“We need to see unemployment rise, unemployment has to jump 40, 50 per cent.”
Replace the word ‘employee’ with the word ‘serf’ and you get a better idea of his true agenda.
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Old 14th Sep 2023, 03:43
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There’s been a systematic change where employees feel the employer is extremely lucky to have them as opposed to the other way around.
If "people decided they didn’t really want to work so much" since the pandemic, it's because they've had enough of being treated like sh!t by scumbag employers, many of whom took advantage of the downturn to force through workplace changes that would never have been acceptable under normal circumstances. There's more to life than working for such assholes and people like Gurner need to understand that simple fact.
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Old 14th Sep 2023, 03:46
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If "people decided they didn’t really want to work so much" since the pandemic, it's because they've had enough of being treated like sh!t by scumbag employers, many of whom took advantage of the downturn to force through workplace changes that would never have been acceptable under normal circumstances. There's more to life than working for such assholes and people like Gurner need to understand that simple fact.
They also realised the shortcomings of living in mass produced hovels without windows in bedrooms, so I guess he’s getting a double nut punch.
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Old 14th Sep 2023, 03:48
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Originally Posted by dr dre
Here’s the comments of Australian property developer Tim Gurner (wealth approx $9.5 billion) at an event the other day:"
He is apparently worth less than a billion. He sounds like such a people person.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/ti...8-d5f45cb2adcf

https://www.afr.com/young-rich

Gurner Group's website puts the worth of its development and management portfolio at over $9.5 billion.
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Old 14th Sep 2023, 03:50
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He is apparently worth less than a billion. He sounds like such a people person.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/ti...8-d5f45cb2adcf

https://www.afr.com/young-rich

Gurner Group's website puts the worth of its development and management portfolio at over $9.5 billion.
Sorry, you’re right. The property developer’s personal wealth is only $900 million. Poor guy. He’s only the 154th richest person in the country. Poor guy. He must really be on struggle street. /s

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Old 14th Sep 2023, 04:19
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Sorry, you’re right. The property developer’s personal wealth is only $900 million. Poor guy. He’s only the 154th richest person in the country. Poor guy. He must really be on struggle street. /s
Yes, apparently has empathy issues too. Sounds familiar.
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Old 14th Sep 2023, 04:31
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Sounds like a top quality individual.
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He’s only saying that because he hires from the bottom end of the labour pool in terms of education and generally speaking you can’t bring in foreign labour at that level. Trades are all qualified and his unskilled grunt labour are probably thin in the ground with low unemployment. If he had to employ a 1000 people with post graduate science degrees he’s not going to care to much about the unemployment rate but bemoaning how he can’t import cheap labour from India due to “restrictive government policy”
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