AIPA to AFAP
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AIPA to AFAP
Rumour has it QF Group pilots including main line are heading over to AFAP from AIPA. It doesn’t surprise me but mainline does. I thought AIPA looked after main line guys/girls, obviously not.
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I have heard similar. Think the Apia members are really starting to lose faith in the union. With the history of negotiators moving into management jobs with the airline and poor outcomes for the pilot group during negotiations and an almost unwillingness to fight for improvements (particularly in short haul). Members are starting to question the integrity of the union and whether they are just paying a percentage of their income back to a sub department of the airline.
I and many others I have spoken to view the upcoming Short Haul EA bargaining as a last chance for AIPA. If the negotiations aren’t seen to be achieving favourable outcomes and a more aggressive approach back to QF IR the flood gates will open and AFAP will be the choice of union moving forward.
I and many others I have spoken to view the upcoming Short Haul EA bargaining as a last chance for AIPA. If the negotiations aren’t seen to be achieving favourable outcomes and a more aggressive approach back to QF IR the flood gates will open and AFAP will be the choice of union moving forward.
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What makes you think the other mob are going to change the world?
I can tell you right now, they won’t. They still need to negotiate in a sub par VA agreement then they have a full suite of useless new agreements.
I can tell you right now, they won’t. They still need to negotiate in a sub par VA agreement then they have a full suite of useless new agreements.
Lol, fair call. TBH I haven’t done my research on the AFAP yet either. All I know is that I’m unhappy with the current arrangement, and there is a feeling that AIPA is just too closely tied to the company and some separation might be what’s needed to reignite the industrial fire. Perhaps the best bet moving forward is just to keep that extra percentage of my income and watch as the company’s wage policies get waived through agreement after agreement.
That being said I am getting behind AIPA throughout this EA and hoping that they can deliver!
That being said I am getting behind AIPA throughout this EA and hoping that they can deliver!
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So the question would be rather than just resigning AIPA and joining AFAP out of spite and supposed disillusionment, what specifics can AFAP bring to the table that would give them the ability to achieve a better agreement than AIPA?
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Judge them on the next VA agreement. A good outcome would be giving those good people the old base pay back with lost and future increases reinstated, that’s at a minimum let alone any other clauses.
I can assure you they will negotiate in some backwards bull**** that will get about 60% approval rate, like the others they just dished up. Sure, Pilots are to blame they vote the crap in, but as far as I believe, any agreement that is waved through in the 60s is nothing but a failure on the unions part, and those involved in such negotiations should resign.
I can assure you they will negotiate in some backwards bull**** that will get about 60% approval rate, like the others they just dished up. Sure, Pilots are to blame they vote the crap in, but as far as I believe, any agreement that is waved through in the 60s is nothing but a failure on the unions part, and those involved in such negotiations should resign.
Last edited by PoppaJo; 13th Aug 2023 at 11:12.
The only union with any balls in this country is the TWU. The sooner everyone gets on board with them the better off we will all be…..
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Don't get me wrong, I’m not saying AFAP or AIPA are any less incompetent, I just don’t see the TWU kicking any goals either. Hence Australian pilots are currently hundreds of thousand of dollars per year behind the rest of the aviation world.
I love this, because since late last year AIPA have been making inroads to NJS and Eastern (and Network if I heard the refueller right).
Is it some grass greener feelings at both ends, or bigger gripes with the stagnating status quo?
Great topic, this will be a good thread.
Is it some grass greener feelings at both ends, or bigger gripes with the stagnating status quo?
Great topic, this will be a good thread.
and how long ago were the foundations of these EAs negotiated? Do you really think the current AIPA negotiators/COM would be able to negotiate something as good as what is the best in the country’ as you say? I hope I’m wrong, time will tell.
Shuffling the letters around in the hope someone takes better responsibility for everyone’s pay and conditions is worth a try but I think the problem runs a bit deeper ? Good luck though !
AIPA is rolling over in the Network EBA.
You'd think a solid outcome there would also help Short Haul achieve better goals.....
Hearsay only, but apparently Legal feel that it's 'too hard'
Great support, thanks for the fishes
You'd think a solid outcome there would also help Short Haul achieve better goals.....
Hearsay only, but apparently Legal feel that it's 'too hard'
Great support, thanks for the fishes
First I've heard.
There's the usual rabble raisers that head to afap with stars in their eyes every now and then.
Not sure what they're trying to accomplish.
How well does afap look after crew that may get themselves in strife with the HR side of things?
My long term experience with the SHEA going back to the original FO B scale (!) Is that aipa has improved this award by leaps and bounds. It takes time, you won't find instant gratification in either office.
There's the usual rabble raisers that head to afap with stars in their eyes every now and then.
Not sure what they're trying to accomplish.
How well does afap look after crew that may get themselves in strife with the HR side of things?
My long term experience with the SHEA going back to the original FO B scale (!) Is that aipa has improved this award by leaps and bounds. It takes time, you won't find instant gratification in either office.
First I've heard.
There's the usual rabble raisers that head to afap with stars in their eyes every now and then.
Not sure what they're trying to accomplish.
How well does afap look after crew that may get themselves in strife with the HR side of things?
My long term experience with the SHEA going back to the original FO B scale (!) Is that aipa has improved this award by leaps and bounds. It takes time, you won't find instant gratification in either office.
There's the usual rabble raisers that head to afap with stars in their eyes every now and then.
Not sure what they're trying to accomplish.
How well does afap look after crew that may get themselves in strife with the HR side of things?
My long term experience with the SHEA going back to the original FO B scale (!) Is that aipa has improved this award by leaps and bounds. It takes time, you won't find instant gratification in either office.
how would aipa handle a HR dispute differently than AFAP would?