Air NZ or QLink?

[On Guard]

If you join regional nz it will be a long wait to jets as you queue up behind many others. If you then leave you are blocked for 8 years from the main employer in nz. Joint qlink does not carry these risks and leaves air nz open to you.

[CaptainInsaneO]

If Qantas mainline is your goal, apply for Virgin. If Virgin is your goal, apply for Qlink. Crazy but true. This will remain like this until these majors work out that ghost seniority numbers is the key.

[ZebraFlyer]

Originally Posted by Makiko

The only internals who didn't get test/interview were those with recent training failure or other recent issue (eg: disciplinary)

I and a couple other colleagues without any of the above received a try again in 6 months letter. I received this email 4 days prior to my last day at JQ. We were roughly 6 - 9 years seniority (WB FO/SYD NB CP range).

Originally Posted by Makiko

Why do people get so bullish on this issue when it is plain obvious that as an internal you have very significant advantage , whether that is 4 times or 6 times or ten times - well thats
another Q. Since 2016 at least half of new hires from internals

We get so bullish because having the group dangle the QF carrot in front of your face is more an insult than an advantage. You are owned by them. They do not have to release you. They can string you along, you could lose months of seniority at their whim because they decide you are still needed.. are externals from Rex being told only 2 of them will be taken each month so as not to cannibalise the operation? I don't think so.
Not having to do a sim, I admit, is an advantage. I wouldn't hand over my metaphorical career balls to the group just to avoid a sim though. Another important point is a respective subsidiary company would require you to stay with them at least 18-24 months, by which time who knows if they can afford to release anyone internally with the haemorrhaging. Do you think no one above you at said subsidiary doesn't want to get to QF? They're apparently releasing by seniority so could be a long wait ahead.. I don't know anyone at link that doesn't want to go to QF.

Originally Posted by Makiko

I notice no comment on "internals only" pathway to mainline , start in January 24 & to be annual thereafter - this pathway for internals only

I'm not commenting because I don't have any experience with this. It was probably announced after I left. What I wrote above would still apply though - they own you.

Originally Posted by Makiko

Sure some good opportunities in USA, but would it be wise to leave a full career at your own country link/mainline to expatriate ?

It all went tits up for many who left to go to Asia/ME , unilateral changing of contracts, expats first out the door etc

At least in the US rule of law country & you get treated same as locals

But the wage data that Atlas were touting was misleading as so many Australians have found out , ($350/$450K USD for FO after 3 or 4 years) & was
based on Covid penalty rates & just isn't achievable right now

You would have to wonder how some of the Australians who left LHS at Virgin or QF group airlines would be thinking now regarding their decision

It's difficult to understand why so many , just accept the promises made by OS Airlines (whether US or ME) at face value

I don't know anyone that took the brochure at face value. If you did then that's on you. All it took was 15 minutes on airline pilot central to realise the salaries quoted were at the extreme end. If you gave up a seat in Australia without speaking to multiple sources about what life and conditions are like over here, then again, that's on you. Plenty of other E3 opportunities available. Or could even go back to Australia.. it's not like they're not hiring!

Originally Posted by Makiko

This debate about "to get to mainline join another" is very boring , so I'm out of this one

I apologise it's boring to you, but I'm trying to make sure newbies don't follow your advice as it's patently wrong. And with respect, I can see you're ex-VA, so wtf do you know jokes

If you wanna go to QF don't join a subsidiary.

[deadcut]

Have a read on the QF recruitment thread about the progression of internals to mainline.

People being given a start date in 2025 with no seniority number in the meanwhile.

Air NZ is the same, with internals being "preferred" but strict seniority meaning you won't get a seat for ages.

Plenty of air nz link skippers being given QF interviews though.

[Makiko]

Why would someone on a hold file be given a seniority number ?

If Qlink to mainline is done on "merit" just means those who start latest scored lowest in test/interview

Easy to blame others , talk about "its brown nosing" all some kind of a conspiracy by the company

Than accept personal responsibility for you own performance & own score

The fact that you might be starting Q4 2025 because you got really very average scores & thus ranking

Don't you think QF would have themselves covered off in this regard , to protect themselves against those who might get on the blower to Solicitor