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Old 9th Mar 2023, 05:50
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Originally Posted by thunderbird five
News is reporting AJ has sent a fully fuelled 380 to Melbourne to refuel planes from during the refueller pay strike.
I doubt this is even physically possible, but if it was, who’s equipment are they going to use and who is going to do it?
You would have to have some qual to refuel an airliner, Kevin from catering isn’t going to do it.
those who know, is this the biggest BS story of the century from mainstream media?
I’ll bet QF has no plane to plane refuelling chapter in their ops manual!
did some $hit for brains see a 380 landing and assume it was a tanker!
Certainly is possible & not hard to do with the transfer hoses,pressure provided by the donor aircraft's(in this case the fully fuelled a380) normal tank fuel pumps & a licensed engineer on the type can carry out the procedure as part of his authorisation.
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Old 9th Mar 2023, 06:02
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Originally Posted by blubak
Certainly is possible & not hard to do with the transfer hoses,pressure provided by the donor aircraft's(in this case the fully fuelled a380) normal tank fuel pumps & a licensed engineer on the type can carry out the procedure as part of his authorisation.
Not hard to do?? Depending exactly where on airport they were parked, those hoses would need to be rather long and a considerable amount of coordination (and time) required. I mean it's not like you can use just any old hoses and any old scissor-lift to get up there.. so no, it's extremely hard to do (safely).
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Old 9th Mar 2023, 06:05
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so no, it's extremely hard to do (safely).
​​​​​​​If you say so.
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Old 9th Mar 2023, 06:11
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Originally Posted by PiperCameron
Not hard to do?? Depending exactly where on airport they were parked, those hoses would need to be rather long and a considerable amount of coordination (and time) required. I mean it's not like you can use just any old scissor-lift to get up there, so no, it's extremely hard to do (safely).
Sure would be with your attitude. It ain't that hard.

​​​​​​With a little bit of planning this would be a doddle for any AMO to manage. It's not rocket science. You may be interested to know it is also possible to recover an aircraft with an inop APU from a remote port by using the bleed air from a second aircraft by use of a long bleed air hose.
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Old 9th Mar 2023, 07:39
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Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs
Keh?

Qué?……

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Old 9th Mar 2023, 11:52
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Cathay has done it before as well.

All legit, fuel can be used in the same company aircraft no problem.

They parked the 380 on a remote stand and refueled 737’s, A320F’s and A330’s.

Easy peezie.
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Old 9th Mar 2023, 20:05
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Originally Posted by PiperCameron
Not hard to do?? Depending exactly where on airport they were parked, those hoses would need to be rather long and a considerable amount of coordination (and time) required. I mean it's not like you can use just any old hoses and any old scissor-lift to get up there.. so no, it's extremely hard to do (safely).
The hoses that are used are approved for fuel transfer,they are not just 'any old hoses'. The guys that perform these tasks know exactly what is required & use the approved equipment.
As far as using 'any old scissor lift' as you seem to suggest you are again way off the mark.
Scissor lifts,thats APPROVED ones,are used for many tasks around the airport every day of the week & used safely.
Maybe think about how apu work on a large aircraft(787,747,a330,a380) is done.....yes,u got it,on an approved scissor lift & with safety always 1st priority.
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Old 9th Mar 2023, 20:27
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The national carrier flew VH-OQL, fully fuelled, from Sydney to Melbourne on Tuesday to help fill up smaller aircraft. The superjumbo has yet to fly a single commercial flight post-COVID.
"….fully fuelled…."?
Not unless they landed well over MLW. The 380 will hold about 240T "fully fuelled" thus at an empty weight of roughly 290T, it would have departed Sydney at 530T in that event. At most it would burn 25-30T so would be landing at 500T or about 110T over MLW.

As previously mentioned, they'd have been happy to have 100T on board after landing at MLW.
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Old 10th Mar 2023, 00:37
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Originally Posted by blubak
As far as using 'any old scissor lift' as you seem to suggest you are again way off the mark.
Scissor lifts,thats APPROVED ones,are used for many tasks around the airport every day of the week & used safely.
Maybe think about how apu work on a large aircraft(787,747,a330,a380) is done.....yes,u got it,on an approved scissor lift & with safety always 1st priority.
Working on an apu doesn't require (a) finding a couple of CAO 20.9-compliant scissor lifts just lying around on apron somewhere and (b) hauling special-purpose extra-long 3" heavy-duty fuel transfer hoses across the tarmac and up in the air (they're extremely bloody heavy with fuel in them, you know?).. but, yeah sure, I get it. Safety 1st always.

Fortunately a few critical people made sure there were no issues with fuel supply, so they didn't need to use the A380 anyway.
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Old 10th Mar 2023, 00:42
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Why are refuellers in Australia always so grumpy when they are paid well above the norm.
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Old 10th Mar 2023, 01:53
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Originally Posted by PiperCameron
Working on an apu doesn't require (a) finding a couple of CAO 20.9-compliant scissor lifts just lying around on apron somewhere and (b) hauling special-purpose extra-long 3" heavy-duty fuel transfer hoses across the tarmac and up in the air (they're extremely bloody heavy with fuel in them, you know?).. but, yeah sure, I get it. Safety 1st always.

Fortunately a few critical people made sure there were no issues with fuel supply, so they didn't need to use the A380 anyway.
CAO 20.9 was repealed on 2 Dec 2021.
Better not follow that 1🙊
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Old 10th Mar 2023, 02:17
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Originally Posted by PiperCameron
Working on an apu doesn't require (a) finding a couple of CAO 20.9-compliant scissor lifts just lying around on apron somewhere and (b) hauling special-purpose extra-long 3" heavy-duty fuel transfer hoses across the tarmac and up in the air (they're extremely bloody heavy with fuel in them, you know?).. but, yeah sure, I get it. Safety 1st always.

Fortunately a few critical people made sure there were no issues with fuel supply, so they didn't need to use the A380 anyway.
Incorrect. It was used
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Old 10th Mar 2023, 02:40
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Im hearing the 380 was used, there was briefly a contamination issue but this was found to be just the last of PiperCamerons credibility draining out
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Old 10th Mar 2023, 03:15
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Originally Posted by blubak
CAO 20.9 was repealed on 2 Dec 2021.
Better not follow that 1🙊
Thanks for the tip.. I must have been asleep that day (as usual). Looks like I've got some reading to do.
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Old 10th Mar 2023, 06:21
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Originally Posted by morno
Incorrect. It was used
You know what they say.. If there's no pics, it didn't happen.
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Old 10th Mar 2023, 09:12
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Originally Posted by PiperCameron
You know what they say.. If there's no pics, it didn't happen.



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The defence rests!

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Old 10th Mar 2023, 10:45
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Is that the sound of someone returning to play FlightSim?
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Old 10th Mar 2023, 13:43
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Regards scissor lifts, they are either diesel engine driving hydraulics or battery motor hydraulics, neither of which I would be happy to station under a refueling panel whilst connecting/dis hoses, manual steps, giraffe or passenger yes, hoses walked up or hoisted with ropes.
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