Depts BN Tuesday Night 28 Feb

[601]

What was going on Tuesday Night 28 February for departures from Brisbane?
I noticed that three international aircraft tracked to the south of the NSW border before turning East, West or North for their destination.


BR316 departure

[Going Nowhere]

Probably avoiding TIBA airspace.

It happened a few weeks ago where inbounds from the West tracked well South into NSW before turning North for BNE.

[C441]

Yep, it's happened a number of times lately.

QF55 BNE-LAX continued south until just E-N-E of Coffs Harbour before turning north east.

[Switchbait]

Why go to all that trouble to avoid TIBA??

[Chris2303]

Originally Posted by Switchbait

Why go to all that trouble to avoid TIBA??

Because it is better than cancelling?

[Switchbait]

Why not fly through it, making the required broadcasts?

[601]

Why go to all that trouble to avoid TIBA??

Probably could not find what the procedures were

[Switchbait]

Originally Posted by DROPS

Insurance?

Safety?

With that in mind, should a jet airliner never fly outside controlled airspace??

[Switchbait]

Originally Posted by 601

Probably could not find what the procedures were

haha you could be onto something 601.

I find the reaction to TIBA airspace hilarious. It’s just not that hard to deal with, but it seems to be akin Kryptonite to some pilots/Flight Departments

[10JQKA]

Originally Posted by Switchbait

Why go to all that trouble to avoid TIBA??

Probably because the CTA part of it is TRA and approval is required ?

[mustafagander]

TIBA is not the end of the world. Just be careful and follow procedures while keeping a close eye on TCAS.

Myanmar (Burma) airspace over the Bay of Bengal was TIBA for years, probably still is. Lots of traffic over the Bay of Bengal but we managed.

[Switchbait]

Originally Posted by 10JQKA

Probably because the CTA part of it is TRA and approval is required ?

The approval only requires a friendly chat on the phone with ATC. The number to call is listed in the NOTAM.

[langham]

I have no idea as to the flight tracks but if it’s avoiding TIBA fair enough. I regularly fly EGLL/Wsss fly over a small area of Afghanistan which is uncontrolled, it’s all about risk management, and if flight ops have decided that’s the way you go I’ve no problem

[10JQKA]

Originally Posted by Switchbait

The approval only requires a friendly chat on the phone with ATC. The number to call is listed in the NOTAM.

What ? So if 12 ring up to get approval to enter they all get approval ?

[601]

With that in mind, should a jet airliner never fly outside controlled airspace??

We used to give ATC grief in the 80s when we started to fly jets OCTA and into gravel or grass strips.
Standard response was "You can't do that. Your a jet"

We were not an airline but the engines did not know that.

[C441]

One possibility is that the airline does not permit level changes in TIBA so it's somewhat difficult to get to cruise altitude when the TIBA commences 30nm from departure.
From the manual at one airline:
Cruising level changes in affected (deactivated) Class A airspace should not be made unless considered necessary to avoid traffic conflicts, for weather avoidance or other operational reasons.

And another reference:
Flight Operations policy is to avoid deactivated airspace where possible by planning around affected areas…….

[601]

or other operational reasons

Climbing to you planned FL to make your destination would be a good reason.

[swh]

Originally Posted by mustafagander

Myanmar (Burma) airspace over the Bay of Bengal was TIBA for years, probably still is.

Not for a while now, even they have datalink these days.

[Slugga]

This is Australia slowly descending into 3rd world status real time