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Old 2nd Feb 2023, 11:11
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Since the PF is required to be able to actually see the runway they're landing on, if he/she can't see the runway because it's under water, don't you think a go-around might have resulted in a better outcome?? At very least their jet blast might have cleared the water. Familiarity, resulting in pushing just that little bit too hard/far, has been the cause of many a Code Brown (and worse). The same folks would probably happily drive at high speed through standing water on their way to the airport, never thinking that one day they might need to be rescued. 
That's cute kiddo. Maybe come back in a decade or so if/when you actually get some RPT experience. Until then, maybe continue to get cranky about your Flight Examiner being a Flight Examiner. It's totally all their fault and nothing to do with you.

p.s. I do love how there's one of these muppets every few years that think this forum is just like the aeroclub bar on a Friday and spew all the uninformed nonsense that you expect from weekend warriors at a fly in.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​
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Old 2nd Feb 2023, 22:30
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I think the union has a great point, every major airport I have flown into around the world would have a runway condition report attached to an ATIS in these conditions with breakdowns of braking action and contamination. ZQN manages one with snow and ice but out main international airport can’t. You can’t judge water depth from an approach and ‘WET’ would tell you standing water of less than 3mm. Remember the Air France that went off the runway in Toronto? There were many factors but one of the findings was a contributing factor that contamination information wasn’t passed to the pilots and the airport would never ‘close’ the runway as it was up to the pilots….. bit hard to make an informed decision when the ATIF just says ‘wet!’
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Old 4th Feb 2023, 18:37
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Braking action reports and runway conditions are two vastly separate issues.
Boeing provides data dry, damp, wet etc it has no relation to a RCC provided by vehicle doing a braking action report.
Operators have merged the data in the interest of safety but in reality theyíre meaningless. Even Boeing hasnít tested all stoping actions and a lot of it is calculated.

The question in this case is what runway condition was given to the crew, wet <3mm or contaminated?
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Old 5th Feb 2023, 07:36
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Originally Posted by ElZilcho View Post
Tell me you donít do the job without telling me you donít do the job.
Spot on.

Can we leave the pilot speak to the pilots please?
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Old 5th Feb 2023, 20:52
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Can we leave the pilot speak to the pilots please?
Exactly, we who sit on the sidelines absolutely adore you blokes, we think you're the ducks guts, like Maverick.
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Old 6th Feb 2023, 00:30
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Originally Posted by PiperCameron View Post
The same folks would probably happily drive at high speed through standing water on their way to the airport, never thinking that one day they might need to be rescued.
I happily drive through standing water at high speed all the time. The more lefties, Greens voters, teal supporters, climate activists, friends of Greta, and Chinese etc I see on the footpath the faster I go. Never needed rescuing. WD40 in the dizzy cap is all you need.
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Old 11th Feb 2023, 18:48
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Gabrielle

Ex-tropical cyclone Gabrielle is on track to reap more chaos. There will inevitably be a lot of disruption in the next 48hrs.
Batten down the hatches and strap in.
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Old 11th Feb 2023, 20:11
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Amazing accusations from the Union to publicly call out the Airport for putting money ahead of safety…. Good on them.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/131...uring-flooding
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Old 12th Feb 2023, 05:38
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Originally Posted by sid-star View Post
Ex-tropical cyclone Gabrielle is on track to reap more chaos. There will inevitably be a lot of disruption in the next 48hrs.
Batten down the hatches and strap in.
Commence the panic buying!!
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Yes the biggest issue is as Aircrew we are supposed to hypothetically calculate water depth with rain rates etc, yet Auckland tower was unable to give a condition report on the runway. Hearsay says it was about 50mm depth at the time of the AirNZ landing. There is a disconnect between Flight Ops and everyone else on this. The best guesstimate was a safety car dude said the water depth was half way up his boot. Ridiculous.
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Old 12th Feb 2023, 17:09
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Looks like there's some runway debris that's got to be cleaned up. All arrivals in holds around the area.
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Yes the biggest issue is as Aircrew we are supposed to hypothetically calculate water depth with rain rates etc, yet Auckland tower was unable to give a condition report on the runway. Hearsay says it was about 50mm depth at the time of the AirNZ landing. There is a disconnect between Flight Ops and everyone else on this. The best guesstimate was a safety car dude said the water depth was half way up his boot. Ridiculous.
Letís hope TAIC complete a thorough investigation into this serious incident and recommend a change on how the runway surface conditions are reported. I know the conditions can change extremely quickly, but a pragmatic approach would suffice .In the meantime with another severe weather event affecting NZAA - the old adage ď if thereís any doubt thereís no doubt ď Ö
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Old 12th Feb 2023, 21:21
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In the interim, looks like we’ll be using “poor” breaking action for landing at AKL when its actively raining due to the combination of no accurate condition reports or runway grooving.

Runways plenty long enough but makes a significant difference to crosswind limitations.
Perhaps some commercial pressure from increased diversions might get the Airport company to take it seriously.
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Old 23rd Feb 2023, 18:24
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Another one forming in the coral next week, she looks ugly and will likely cause some damage, monsoon might push it Kiwi way, will need to wait until early next week to confirm the direction and potential size. Otherwise Cairns to Brisbane, get yourself ready folks.
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Old 23rd Feb 2023, 23:37
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Otherwise Cairns to Brisbane, get yourself ready folks.
Captain Catastrophist?? Sky clear until at least Sunday week, according to Windy. ​​​​​​​
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Old 24th Feb 2023, 03:50
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Bloggs one model I was looking at yesterday had a different story. That model has changed in the last day with the system moving E. One thing is certain at this point, in that a low is developing in the coral. Probably come back early next week to see what the modelling shows, seems pretty volatile at the moment.



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