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Old 4th Jan 2023, 20:01
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If its money you're after -- straight to the airline. If you want to learn to fly properly, to build experience through experiences, to have fun, to have some great times worth speaking about, to fly for the joy of flying - go airlines later.

I've been in bars with crews and everyone is relating the funny times - being vomited on in the territory, having to return because one passenger left a thong behind, flying deceased indigenous people back to their homeland and seeing the ceremony that ensues, being lost, landing on little islands no-one from your school has ever heard of etc etc etc. These all make great memories. And the cadets sitting with us?? Nothing, they got nothing.............never been upside down, vomited on, landed on wrong dirt strip..........

Its absolutely horses for courses, no right or wrong. My course is the path of a "proper" aviation career experience - and I don't consider flying ILS to ILS onto big sealed strips with the autopilot building its flying skills anything but a job. Thats my take on a good career.
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Old 4th Jan 2023, 21:07
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8 years GA in PNG 32 years QF, for me that was purrrfect. And plenty of war stories outa both.
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Old 4th Jan 2023, 21:47
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Did Jetstar Jimmy find true love in the end?
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Old 4th Jan 2023, 21:51
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Originally Posted by Lookleft
Jetstar Jimmy left the building a while ago. He has gone where most of the cadets want to end up and that is in the back seat of a QF jet.
not according to social media- still well ensconced in the JQ dream!
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Old 4th Jan 2023, 22:29
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If cadets were a thing when I was in GA and I was good enough and smart enough to get in, absolutely I would have. Yes I would miss out on some experiences and some fun but I'd also miss out on being incredibly poor, living in Australia's biggest **** holes, flying some of Australia's worst aircraft, the dodgy maintenance, the dodgy operations managers the narcissistic owners etc. No war stories of course. I could live with that.

Back on topic, JQ is ******. But while people continue to buy a cheap ticket to Bali nothing will ever change. The trick to survival in JQ is:
Give zero *****. Be dead inside and under no circumstances try to show initiative or try to help. EVER!

Don't stress or get worked up when things happen, just do the minimum and don't care. When you see delays and passenger treated like ****, it also helps to remember that the only people JQ treat worse iS.. YOU the employee.
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Old 4th Jan 2023, 23:37
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not according to social media- still well ensconced in the JQ dream!
I think you are getting your Jimmies mixed up. The prolific social media JQ pilot, well known to pilots even beyond Jetstar, is not the original Jimmie Jetstar. The social media star's name is not Jimmie, James or even Jim-Bob.
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Old 5th Jan 2023, 00:27
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Are you talking about the bloke with all the puppy and look at me shenanigans? The one who takes photos in company uniform then edits out the logo’s and what not?

Really pushing HR (and CPs) patience but that’s for another thread.
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Old 5th Jan 2023, 01:34
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Originally Posted by Lookleft
I think you are getting your Jimmies mixed up. The prolific social media JQ pilot, well known to pilots even beyond Jetstar, is not the original Jimmie Jetstar. The social media star's name is not Jimmie, James or even Jim-Bob.
I know of both.. at least the former doesn’t prance around constantly on social media.

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Old 5th Jan 2023, 01:55
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Originally Posted by rodney rude
If its money you're after -- straight to the airline. If you want to learn to fly properly, to build experience through experiences, to have fun, to have some great times worth speaking about, to fly for the joy of flying - go airlines later.

I've been in bars with crews and everyone is relating the funny times - being vomited on in the territory, having to return because one passenger left a thong behind, flying deceased indigenous people back to their homeland and seeing the ceremony that ensues, being lost, landing on little islands no-one from your school has ever heard of etc etc etc. These all make great memories. And the cadets sitting with us?? Nothing, they got nothing.............never been upside down, vomited on, landed on wrong dirt strip..........

Its absolutely horses for courses, no right or wrong. My course is the path of a "proper" aviation career experience - and I don't consider flying ILS to ILS onto big sealed strips with the autopilot building its flying skills anything but a job. Thats my take on a good career.
I'm with you Rod
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Old 5th Jan 2023, 03:29
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If you are 25 years old and an A320 F/O flying for a low cost carrier in Australia, not only is it not a big deal, but what are you still doing here? Go to the States where aviation dreams come true. In Australia you will be slave to a mortgage and in an unrealised aviation poverty. It’s not a particularly interesting place to fly.
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Old 5th Jan 2023, 06:36
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Originally Posted by rodney rude
If its money you're after -- straight to the airline. If you want to learn to fly properly, to build experience through experiences, to have fun, to have some great times worth speaking about, to fly for the joy of flying - go airlines later.
Thats funny, ‘learn to fly properly’, I have flown with a few sh*t pilots over the years and they are just as likely to come from GA.
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Old 5th Jan 2023, 06:50
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Originally Posted by Gnadenburg
If you are 25 years old and an A320 F/O flying for a low cost carrier in Australia, not only is it not a big deal, but what are you still doing here? Go to the States where aviation dreams come true. In Australia you will be slave to a mortgage and in an unrealised aviation poverty. It’s not a particularly interesting place to fly.
So on one hand some say the cadets should go get “real experience in GA” and be vomited on flying in a higher risk environment for much lower pay, but on the other hand they should go to America and get paid more money to perform the same multi sector day airline gig, even though with the latest EBA total package for an F/O with allowances and overtime will be $150-200k, for an ENTRY level aviation job which is substantially higher than any entry level degree qualified job, or a FIFO gig?

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Old 5th Jan 2023, 06:50
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The States aren't all it's cracked up to be. If you're from a rural area and you go and live somewhere like Chicago or DC, it's a massive adjustment. Horses for courses, it's not for some. Australia has it's draw backs, I'd much rather be an average Joe here in Aus than an average Joe in the US.
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Old 5th Jan 2023, 08:53
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Oh cool. We’re doing the GA v cadet thingy again.
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Old 5th Jan 2023, 09:44
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Originally Posted by dr dre
So on one hand some say the cadets should go get “real experience in GA” and be vomited on flying in a higher risk environment for much lower pay, but on the other hand they should go to America and get paid more money to perform the same multi sector day airline gig, even though with the latest EBA total package for an F/O with allowances and overtime will be $150-200k, for an ENTRY level aviation job which is substantially higher than any entry level degree qualified job, or a FIFO gig?
Actually I never recommended GA my slant was more adventure, rounded aviation experience and money. 40 years at Jetstar- don’t do it unless you have to. It’s nauseating just thinking of it.

I’m not sure if the Jetstar cadets are high achievers out of Uni, but the cadets I flew with often were. Aviation was boring by the time they were 30 and had done their 5 years to a Wonder Command. A far higher percentage seemed likely to be positioning themselves to get out of aviation very early, than the generation before them who were non-cadets.

If you are young, take your Oztronaut training into the big bad world and live a little. It’s amazing and do get educated financially before you leave. Depending on where you live and what you are paid you can set yourself up in a decade versus a lifetime of Aussie shark patrols in an A320.


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Old 5th Jan 2023, 11:57
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Originally Posted by Gnadenburg
If you are young, take your Oztronaut training into the big bad world and live a little.
Great advice but if you do this try to resist at all costs the urge to tell everyone over there how it's done back in Australia, especially on subjects such as cold weather ops and the like.
Instead, just fly, learn and keep your trap shut.
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Old 5th Jan 2023, 13:16
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Only JQ pilots could turn a thread from "look at this stupid video, waste of time and money whilst the joint burns down" to "cadets are bad and I'm better cause I spent pointless time in GA".. Who gives a ****? Everyone has different background and things to offer. If they can do the job who cares? I'd rather fly with them then some of the ex Ansett and RAAF **** wits going around.
No wonder we can't get a half decent EBA, we are too busy swinging our dicks at each other.

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Old 5th Jan 2023, 20:40
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Originally Posted by cLeArIcE
Only JQ pilots could turn a thread from "look at this stupid video, waste of time and money whilst the joint burns down" to "cadets are bad and I'm better cause I spent pointless time in GA".. Who gives a ****? Everyone has different background and things to offer. If they can do the job who cares? I'd rather fly with them then some of the ex Ansett and RAAF **** wits going around.
No wonder we can't get a half decent EBA, we are too busy swinging our dicks at each other.

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Old 5th Jan 2023, 21:15
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No wonder we can't get a half decent EBA, we are too busy swinging our dicks at each other.
Or taking selfies of them next to our ASICS and sending them to cabin crew!
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Old 6th Jan 2023, 02:06
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Or taking selfies of them next to our ASICS and sending them to cabin crew!
Please go on....
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