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JQ35 MEL to DPS U-turn at Derby 27 Dec 22

Old 27th Dec 2022, 21:26
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JQ35 MEL to DPS U-turn at Derby 27 Dec 22

Passengers got to enjoy the vast countryside of Australia twice on their 787-8 but why?

Looking at Flight Radar, this is normally an A321 route so is this twitter thread reasonably accurate?



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Old 27th Dec 2022, 23:47
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Likely a paperwork issue. Did they tell them a 787 was coming or a A321?

I heard Singapore fell into the same trap last month.

Isnít the first, and wonít be the last. Expensive error though. Whoops.
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It could also be Indo error.

Iíve been denied clearance over a fairly pedantic country as they has the wrong aircraft type on file.
When submitted it was definitely correct.
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Ever since MH 370 was thought to have passed unnoticed through Indonesian airspace, they have got VERY sticky about clearances. A while back an Ethiopian Airlines freighter en route to Singapore was forced to land at Batam (Indonesian island near Singapore) due to it not having the required overflight permission.
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Did they outsource Operations to Swissport? ABC news says they turned back "as they were landing in Bali". One hell of a STAR!
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Old 28th Dec 2022, 07:12
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It could also be Indo error.
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Well they wheeled out the media rep who told 9 it was a "internal error" and a "urgent internal review is now underway". Internal error means = Flight Planning took Sunday to Tuesday off. QF Group has form with office staff disappearing in peak times.
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Old 28th Dec 2022, 07:25
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But I thought us Pilots brag (especially at this time of year) that the airline actually runs better when all the office dwellers take an extended holiday??
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The 787 performance is absolutely horrendous and has the worst OTP out of any fleet in the entire group.

If you cannot operate a widebody operation then just get rid of it. Laughable to have day after day 0% on time performance.
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The 787 performance is absolutely horrendous and has the worst OTP out of any fleet in the entire group.

If you cannot operate a widebody operation then just get rid of it. Laughable to have day after day 0% on time performance.

its called throw some resources at fixing screwups like this. How much did 7 hours non revenue flying plus Hotac cost. A lot more than putting staff on to properly run the joint.

And this is only one example
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Old 28th Dec 2022, 12:21
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I assume that this was a long-planned aircraft change in which case seeking Indonesian and Australian Government approval is a given. It’s not a last minute task for the Flight Planners. They woukd have changed the aircraft type for slot and ground handling at which time it’s logical to suggest that requests for Government approvals would be made at the same time. Incompetence, negligence or lack of diligence is not synonymous with 'miscommunication'!
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Old 28th Dec 2022, 19:13
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ABC reporting it WAS because because of not advising of aircraft type change. Also reporting JQ have apologised. Woohoo
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To many stuff ups happening who’s head will role…..
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or even whose head will roll.....
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Just asking - would have thought divert to Darwin/Broome/Port Hedland whatever, super efficient company back in the bunker files appropriate paperwork, throw on some fuel and off you go.

Suppose a query for immigration at some ports, heavy crewed so FTL's or overnighting crew??

If you believe the papers aircraft substitution pretty well standard at JQ these days so an amateur effort, something for the new CEO lady/QF CEO in grooming (apparently) to sort out.

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Question

I have to ask..
Why is an aircraft model-change such a big issue to the destination country ?

Wouldn't the destination airport get the ETA and aircraft-type from their ATCO ?,
who would already have the plan before departure ?

Sending an A380 to an airport that cannot handle it would be airline incompetance,
but destination processing (ATC/airport/immigration) a 787 should not be too disimilar to a A321.
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Good question. First of all, it had nothing to do with aircraft change. If you have access to the airport charts I would suggest you read them.

This is a fine example kids why as pilots you cannot trust your operations team.

The runway was closed at that time! What did they plan to land on, the water? Always closed on a Wednesday morning! The initial delay caused this. They went to cross into Indonesian airspace and was told the runway is closed. Nothing to do with Indonesian's and nothing to do with an aircraft change.

What an incredible mistake by a company that is meant to be an airline! What else gets told to the media which we all are fooled to believe in other industries. Makes you wonder!

Maybe someone can find the information/chart and put it up here from the airport directory information.





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Originally Posted by Biggles_in_Oz View Post
I have to ask..
Why is an aircraft model-change such a big issue to the destination country ?

Wouldn't the destination airport get the ETA and aircraft-type from their ATCO ?,
who would already have the plan before departure ?

Sending an A380 to an airport that cannot handle it would be airline incompetance,
but destination processing (ATC/airport/immigration) a 787 should not be too disimilar to a A321.

One of the first things that came out but hasn't been reported in the rush to get complaining passengers on the tube: there was maintenance going on at the Denpasar airport which affected the types of aircraft that could land, and the 787 would have been ok if it had been on time, but the 5 hour delay pushed it into the maintenance window at the airport and that was why landing was denied.

Csn anyone on the inside confirm this? If it's true then it's a perfectly understandable sequence of events where an unknown factor pops out of the woodwork.
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Old 28th Dec 2022, 23:58
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But I thought us Pilots brag (especially at this time of year) that the airline actually runs better when all the office dwellers take an extended holiday??
Yep. Just goes to show how disorganised it is for the rest of the year.
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This is a fine example kids why as pilots you cannot trust your operations team.
A fine example of why the captain or FO should READ the NOTAMs I would have thought.
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A fine example of why the captain or FO should READ the NOTAMs I would have thought.
which notam indicates the correct ac type for the day, agreed upon by the relevant authorities?
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