NSW Mil Areas changes 30th November 23
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NSW Mil Areas changes 30th November 23
https://news.defence.gov.au/media/me...-area-airspace
Things gonna look very different in/out of SY to the NW and in/out of QLD to VIC/SA/WA for passenger jets very soon. One wonders how airline bean counters feel about long diversion routes and sub optimum levels for 26/52 weeks a year ?
Things gonna look very different in/out of SY to the NW and in/out of QLD to VIC/SA/WA for passenger jets very soon. One wonders how airline bean counters feel about long diversion routes and sub optimum levels for 26/52 weeks a year ?
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As with the hours during which wars are usually fought, “[t]he restricted airspace is expected to mainly be used during business hours on weekdays.” It is also expected that members of the public and non-military aviation operators will be happy to rearrange work schedules so as to focus on early morning and late evening travel, to avoid inconveniencing the RAAF and interrupting the wellness regimes of people who really do need a good night’s sleep, a supportive transition to each working morning and a non-confrontational work environment during the day.
However, some concessions have been made by the RAAF. According to a RAAF spokesperson: “Members of the public can rest assured that air travel through the expanded restricted areas is likely to be lawful on the afternoons of most Wednesdays and Fridays, despite those often being business hours for the taxpayers who pay for the RAAF’s operations.” The spokesperson went on to explain: “The RAAF has found that taking Wednesday afternoons off for sporting activities and leaving at lunch time on Fridays is helpful to the wellness regimes of our people.” The RAAF spokesperson also added: “Of course, members of the public should feel free to use our airspace on most public holidays. If we fly on those days, it is expected mainly to be to show off by turning your money into noise at low levels rather than at altitudes where we prefer not to be distracted by the potential for anyone to be in the way or risk frying their brains with the cutting-edge turboencabulator technology which gives us the edge over our Palm Islander and East Timorese adversaries.”
However, some concessions have been made by the RAAF. According to a RAAF spokesperson: “Members of the public can rest assured that air travel through the expanded restricted areas is likely to be lawful on the afternoons of most Wednesdays and Fridays, despite those often being business hours for the taxpayers who pay for the RAAF’s operations.” The spokesperson went on to explain: “The RAAF has found that taking Wednesday afternoons off for sporting activities and leaving at lunch time on Fridays is helpful to the wellness regimes of our people.” The RAAF spokesperson also added: “Of course, members of the public should feel free to use our airspace on most public holidays. If we fly on those days, it is expected mainly to be to show off by turning your money into noise at low levels rather than at altitudes where we prefer not to be distracted by the potential for anyone to be in the way or risk frying their brains with the cutting-edge turboencabulator technology which gives us the edge over our Palm Islander and East Timorese adversaries.”
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I love this bit....
"Most of the flying training will be conducted at altitudes well above 10,000 feet and has been designed to have minimal impact on other airspace users"
The punters paying $$$s for seats don't even make the grade of airspace user !
"Most of the flying training will be conducted at altitudes well above 10,000 feet and has been designed to have minimal impact on other airspace users"
The punters paying $$$s for seats don't even make the grade of airspace user !
Cut our boys and girls some slack, there's a fair chance they'll be seeing action soon while you're sitting on your arse watching the world cup finals in a few sports.
Think it's bad in Oz? Try flying around China, where most of the airspace is controlled by the military. "Request direct XXXXX" = "Cannot"; "Request 10 NM left of track due weather" = "Cannot"; "How about 10 NM right of track due weather" = "Cannot".
https://news.defence.gov.au/media/me...-area-airspace
Things gonna look very different in/out of SY to the NW and in/out of QLD to VIC/SA/WA for passenger jets very soon. One wonders how airline bean counters feel about long diversion routes and sub optimum levels for 26/52 weeks a year ?
Things gonna look very different in/out of SY to the NW and in/out of QLD to VIC/SA/WA for passenger jets very soon. One wonders how airline bean counters feel about long diversion routes and sub optimum levels for 26/52 weeks a year ?
I laugh heartily when civvies complain about airspace our military professionals use to maintain their standards. Yes they knock off early and head to the bar where they drink at discount rates and discuss how satisfying it was burning tax-payer funded flying hours. If you're envious of that lifestyle you should've applied (or tried harder at school).
Your civvy trash-hauler pilot will still fly the same number of hours each month so what's the difference?
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Yeah you're right don't care what the bean counters think. Maybe what I meant to say was how odd it is that we haven't heard them scream blue murder yet. Guess it will happen in June 23 !
Other thing is it will get pretty chaotic in and around that airspace. When weather/turb are around there ain't going to be many L/R or up/down options avbl and plenty of foreign carriers in the mix too.
Anyway like most changes nobody cares til it's happened and then it's too late to change anything.
Other thing is it will get pretty chaotic in and around that airspace. When weather/turb are around there ain't going to be many L/R or up/down options avbl and plenty of foreign carriers in the mix too.
Anyway like most changes nobody cares til it's happened and then it's too late to change anything.
Why would you (as a pilot) care what the bean-counters think? This smells more like an anti-RAAF grudge under the guise of efficiency concerns which aren't even for you to worry over.
I laugh heartily when civvies complain about airspace our military professionals use to maintain their standards. Yes they knock off early and head to the bar where they drink at discount rates and discuss how satisfying it was burning tax-payer funded flying hours. If you're envious of that lifestyle you should've applied (or tried harder at school).
Your civvy trash-hauler pilot will still fly the same number of hours each month so what's the difference?
I laugh heartily when civvies complain about airspace our military professionals use to maintain their standards. Yes they knock off early and head to the bar where they drink at discount rates and discuss how satisfying it was burning tax-payer funded flying hours. If you're envious of that lifestyle you should've applied (or tried harder at school).
Your civvy trash-hauler pilot will still fly the same number of hours each month so what's the difference?
"Trash-haulers" vs "military professionals" hey. "Tried harder at school." "Knock of early for discount drinks.": And then you talk about an "anti-RAAF grudge.". Wonder why? As an ex RAAF pilot, those comments are an embarrassment and not how most of my colleagues thought. Just the tossers..Both jobs are hard slogs. And even when in the RAAF, i thought we wasted a lot of airspace. Sometimes whole blocks of airspace blocked off for one aircraft doing a test flight or just a routine return to base from somewhere. It is ridiculous but the RAAF wouldn't care unless a minister put their foot down.
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aircrew identified a need to redesign the RAAF Base Williamtown western military airspace as a result of specific training requirements for the F-35A Lightning II
Why would you (as a pilot) care what the bean-counters think? This smells more like an anti-RAAF grudge under the guise of efficiency concerns which aren't even for you to worry over.
I laugh heartily when civvies complain about airspace our military professionals use to maintain their standards. Yes they knock off early and head to the bar where they drink at discount rates and discuss how satisfying it was burning tax-payer funded flying hours. If you're envious of that lifestyle you should've applied (or tried harder at school).
I laugh heartily when civvies complain about airspace our military professionals use to maintain their standards. Yes they knock off early and head to the bar where they drink at discount rates and discuss how satisfying it was burning tax-payer funded flying hours. If you're envious of that lifestyle you should've applied (or tried harder at school).
Thanks, tossbag. As a consequence of having served for a couple of decades in the RAAF, I too respect what our defence force does and the people who serve in it. Perhaps more than you do.
Let’s hope the previous government’s announcement of a long-term plan to expand the ADF to the size it was in the mid-1970s is implemented. Australia’s Lillipution – I mean ‘boutique’ – ADF needs to be somewhat larger if it is to stave off that baddie whose name you dare not speak. Imagine how scared that baddie must be, knowing that the entirety of the ADF’s personnel could fit into the MCG. And spending upwards of $5billion on a terminated submarine project made a lot of people in suits richer but contributed nothing to defence capability. Plenty of other people in suits are getting richer off defence spending while contributing little-to-nothing to defence capability.
We’ll have to agree to disagree on whether the increased volume of restricted airspace – even the existing volume - is justified by the risks and costs. It’s not surprising that if there’s an option to operate in splendid isolation in a huge volume of restricted airspace, it’s taken. But that’s not how our allies train. For a reason.
Let’s hope the previous government’s announcement of a long-term plan to expand the ADF to the size it was in the mid-1970s is implemented. Australia’s Lillipution – I mean ‘boutique’ – ADF needs to be somewhat larger if it is to stave off that baddie whose name you dare not speak. Imagine how scared that baddie must be, knowing that the entirety of the ADF’s personnel could fit into the MCG. And spending upwards of $5billion on a terminated submarine project made a lot of people in suits richer but contributed nothing to defence capability. Plenty of other people in suits are getting richer off defence spending while contributing little-to-nothing to defence capability.
We’ll have to agree to disagree on whether the increased volume of restricted airspace – even the existing volume - is justified by the risks and costs. It’s not surprising that if there’s an option to operate in splendid isolation in a huge volume of restricted airspace, it’s taken. But that’s not how our allies train. For a reason.
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Why would you (as a pilot) care what the bean-counters think? This smells more like an anti-RAAF grudge under the guise of efficiency concerns which aren't even for you to worry over.
I laugh heartily when civvies complain about airspace our military professionals use to maintain their standards.
I laugh heartily when civvies complain about airspace our military professionals use to maintain their standards.
Yes they knock off early and head to the bar where they drink at discount rates and discuss how satisfying it was burning tax-payer funded flying hours. If you're envious of that lifestyle you should've applied (or tried harder at school).
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Seems that combining ADF and Civilian ATC/ATM is not as simple as some folk imagined - and they started imagining it over thirty years ago, despite the statement in the article in The Mandarin : Defence-sounds-new-warning-on-4-1-billion-national-air-traffic-control-system
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as with the hours during which wars are usually fought, “[t]he restricted airspace is expected to mainly be used during business hours on weekdays.” it is also expected that members of the public and non-military aviation operators will be happy to rearrange work schedules so as to focus on early morning and late evening travel, to avoid inconveniencing the raaf and interrupting the wellness regimes of people who really do need a good night’s sleep, a supportive transition to each working morning and a non-confrontational work environment during the day.
However, some concessions have been made by the raaf. According to a raaf spokesperson: “members of the public can rest assured that air travel through the expanded restricted areas is likely to be lawful on the afternoons of most wednesdays and fridays, despite those often being business hours for the taxpayers who pay for the raaf’s operations.” the spokesperson went on to explain: “the raaf has found that taking wednesday afternoons off for sporting activities and leaving at lunch time on fridays is helpful to the wellness regimes of our people.” the raaf spokesperson also added: “of course, members of the public should feel free to use our airspace on most public holidays. If we fly on those days, it is expected mainly to be to show off by turning your money into noise at low levels rather than at altitudes where we prefer not to be distracted by the potential for anyone to be in the way or risk frying their brains with the cutting-edge turboencabulator technology which gives us the edge over our palm islander and east timorese adversaries.”
However, some concessions have been made by the raaf. According to a raaf spokesperson: “members of the public can rest assured that air travel through the expanded restricted areas is likely to be lawful on the afternoons of most wednesdays and fridays, despite those often being business hours for the taxpayers who pay for the raaf’s operations.” the spokesperson went on to explain: “the raaf has found that taking wednesday afternoons off for sporting activities and leaving at lunch time on fridays is helpful to the wellness regimes of our people.” the raaf spokesperson also added: “of course, members of the public should feel free to use our airspace on most public holidays. If we fly on those days, it is expected mainly to be to show off by turning your money into noise at low levels rather than at altitudes where we prefer not to be distracted by the potential for anyone to be in the way or risk frying their brains with the cutting-edge turboencabulator technology which gives us the edge over our palm islander and east timorese adversaries.”
Correct, 2030 was the forecasted prediction the adf has been working towards for years but everything has been slide left to 2027 from what I've been told. Hence all of the rapid defence decisions and spending in the past 12 months.