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I do remember news back in the late 70's that warned of an on-coming period of Global Cooling/Ice Age, reinforced over years by disaster films like "The Day After Tomorrow", based on the 1999 book "The Coming Global Superstorm". Perhaps influences like that are still in the minds of many??
Almost everyone does Google research with intent, usually to confirm their own intuition.
Surely the professional pilots on this forum would be familiar with the amateurs who think they’re experts because they’ve seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation and spend every evening on their flight sim.
You don’t know what you don’t know.
You can’t really Google your way to being an ‘expert’ in a scientific field, especially to a level where you can challenge the scientific consensus.
Almost everyone does Google research with intent, usually to confirm their own intuition.
Surely the professional pilots on this forum would be familiar with the amateurs who think they’re experts because they’ve seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation and spend every evening on their flight sim.
You don’t know what you don’t know.
Almost everyone does Google research with intent, usually to confirm their own intuition.
Surely the professional pilots on this forum would be familiar with the amateurs who think they’re experts because they’ve seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation and spend every evening on their flight sim.
You don’t know what you don’t know.
Who needs to watch a TV show to be aware of an issue. If a wing keeps falling off brand X aircraft I don’t need to be an ‘expert’ to say that brand X aircraft is either unsafe and poorly designed, or corruptly designed.
It’s not hard to find flaws in the global warming nonsense, even for non-experts - there’s just to many in flight failures of the climate ‘science’ to hide the fact that the wing keeps falling off..
Hear, hear! 
Expert: 'Ex' = Has been; 'Spert' = a drip under pressure.
Anyway.. with Education now Victoria's largest export, you'd be surprised how many graduates (engineering and science at least) now coming out of University consider Google to be an omniscient font of correctness and will happily argue their case with anyone who has learnt by experience that they're wrong.
I reckon this Greta Thunberg will be an interesting one to watch. She was all high and mighty as an obnoxious child back in 2019, but watching recent interviews as she's got older (and hopefully wiser), her message is slowing changing to be not quite so black-and-white... Funny that.
Anyway.. with Education now Victoria's largest export, you'd be surprised how many graduates (engineering and science at least) now coming out of University consider Google to be an omniscient font of correctness and will happily argue their case with anyone who has learnt by experience that they're wrong.
I reckon this Greta Thunberg will be an interesting one to watch. She was all high and mighty as an obnoxious child back in 2019, but watching recent interviews as she's got older (and hopefully wiser), her message is slowing changing to be not quite so black-and-white... Funny that.
I imagine most Climate Scientists would disagree.. but then Climate Science is their job (one that didn't even exist a few years back) ...and they have to compete in a tough environment with all these other Scientists for a large enough taxpayer-funded Government Grant to pay the food bill for their starving families. I'm sure these poor souls spend every waking hour coming up with ever-increasing quantities of facts and figures to keep their jobs for as long as possible before they're either lucky enough to win a teaching job at University or get tossed on the scrap heap with everyone else.
There but the grace of God go I...
There but the grace of God go I...
As the BoM weather balloon crew are finding out when yer balloons are showing numbers that discredit the global warming hysteria, well then, they get shut down. Can’t be showing evidence that them so-called climate ‘scientists’ have made a monumental clustafeck of things..
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I reckon this Greta Thunberg will be an interesting one to watch. She was all high and mighty as an obnoxious child back in 2019, but watching recent interviews as she's got older (and hopefully wiser), her message is slowing changing to be not quite so black-and-white... Funny that.
I suggest you actually look up whats she's done since 2019, including the "Blah, Blah" speech in 2021 and as recently as 7 days ago rubbishing the COP27 as "greenwashing, attention seeking leaders". Still some very black and white comments about achieving fast actual change rather than slowly through the normal political process.
As well, I did a permaculture sub-course. Did a TAFE course on wind power …even read up on the doings of Peter Pedals..
Trouble is, when you start to research the background and reasoning of the green ‘industry’ you discover its all…… nonsense.Perhaps poor ol Greta has been doing some actual research on the subject…. or not.
Well despite the crowing of the fossil fuel departments, the leasing of land, exploration, construction of mines/wells, mining equipment, transportation, corporate profiteering and subsidised economy fossil fuels industry runs off is FAR more expensive for the public user than installed solar or wind generation. When its all attached to the premises there's no charge for production, transmission and third party profits. For the individual, electric based power that you get from wind or solar is the cheapest you will get, whether its green based on what batteries you store with or what its made of is another thing. But cost wise you will save a lot of cash in the long run with a good setup. Coal/gas/oil prices are too reliant on foreign issues, without climate change in the argument, petrol is expensive because that's what it costs to produce at the moment with Russia removed from production. Inevitably coal and oil will become way too expensive to dig up to be worthwhile, we are probably already there now. Or are we going to get an argument that fossil fuels will somehow last forever.
You cant argue that a powered cruiser is cheaper than a sailing vessel to operate, it's just has more reliable mobility not reliant on weather. Remove the reliability factor by storing energy when its in excess and using batteries when production is low is where it is now.
Then there is the factor that an EV will not drive past you and fill your nostrils with combustion byproducts, so regardless of where the stuff is made or how it is disposed of a petroleum powered vehicle driving past will pump carcinogenic fumes in your face, the EV will not.
You cant argue that a powered cruiser is cheaper than a sailing vessel to operate, it's just has more reliable mobility not reliant on weather. Remove the reliability factor by storing energy when its in excess and using batteries when production is low is where it is now.
Then there is the factor that an EV will not drive past you and fill your nostrils with combustion byproducts, so regardless of where the stuff is made or how it is disposed of a petroleum powered vehicle driving past will pump carcinogenic fumes in your face, the EV will not.
Ah 43 inches our resident expert on everything.
No it is not. Can you quote a source or a dollar per MwH figure?
I looked in to solar at my place, no battery it would take eight years to break even on install costs and that assumes the feed in tariff does not fall again. With a battery it would be about 14 years to break even. Solar panel life is 15-20 years, inverter probably less.
Australia has gas and coal a plenty. There is no reason foreign influence exists other than only WA had a domestic supply reserve. All states should have a domestic supply reserve. Once again various federal and state governments have failed to look after the interests of Australians.
For Chis Bowen to blame Putin for our high and rising power prices is criminal.
We are not ready to transition yet but our lefty green government does not care about the cost.
For the individual, electric based power that you get from wind or solar is the cheapest you will get,
I looked in to solar at my place, no battery it would take eight years to break even on install costs and that assumes the feed in tariff does not fall again. With a battery it would be about 14 years to break even. Solar panel life is 15-20 years, inverter probably less.
Coal/gas/oil prices are too reliant on foreign issues,
For Chis Bowen to blame Putin for our high and rising power prices is criminal.
We are not ready to transition yet but our lefty green government does not care about the cost.
No it is not. Can you quote a source or a dollar per MwH figure?
I looked in to solar at my place, no battery it would take eight years to break even on install costs and that assumes the feed in tariff does not fall again. With a battery it would be about 14 years to break even. Solar panel life is 15-20 years, inverter probably less.
I looked in to solar at my place, no battery it would take eight years to break even on install costs and that assumes the feed in tariff does not fall again. With a battery it would be about 14 years to break even. Solar panel life is 15-20 years, inverter probably less.
Australia has gas and coal a plenty. There is no reason foreign influence exists other than only WA had a domestic supply reserve. All states should have a domestic supply reserve. Once again various federal and state governments have failed to look after the interests of Australians.
The average actual life of a coal power plant is usually only 30 years, so having a solar panel on your roof that lasts 20-30 years is on par. Replacement of a coal plant is about $3 billion per 1000MWH. It costs around $1million per 1000 MWH just to start up a plant that's been shut down. Then the fuel runs at about 10000 tons of coal per station MWH per day. Because Victoria uses the worst coal on the planet stations like Loy Yang burn 60,000 tons of the stuff per day.
Then there's the health and environmental effects, areas of coal power generation have significantly higher respiratory disease than other areas, especially if using open cut mines. The cost for treatment of coal related disease in generating areas in Australia is estimated at around $2 billion per year.
I could go on and on about how expensive coal electric power is, its insanely expensive in an complete overview, but the plants appear cheap to the simple minded layman. But when you add the total economic cost of everything associated with them they are terrible.
PS We should have gone nuclear years ago. It integrates with renewables much easier as the output can be varied, where as coal costs a lot to power up and down stations, it increases wear and tear significant and adds a lot to maintenance. So yes renewables are making coal fired power more expensive as well.
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but the plants appear cheap to the simple minded layman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_in_Australia
Thirty year life? Riiiiiiighhttt Do some reading.
Meaning everyone but yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_in_Australia
Thirty year life? Riiiiiiighhttt Do some reading.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_in_Australia
Thirty year life? Riiiiiiighhttt Do some reading.
I'm quite familiar with the Victorian power generation having been on site during construction at Loy Yang A and B, been around the dredgers under construction there in the 90s. Been inside bith Yallourn W and Hazelwood several times during their operational years. Knew a lot of the SEC workers and so on. They even have some nice dino fossils from the pits lying around the place.
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And yet India and China are on a massive coal power station building spree.
Maybe that China that manufactures the most solar panels don’t understand that it would be just so much more cheaper to build solar power stations..
The sooner Australia can get rid of the electrical power ‘profiteers’ the better..
Maybe that China that manufactures the most solar panels don’t understand that it would be just so much more cheaper to build solar power stations..
The sooner Australia can get rid of the electrical power ‘profiteers’ the better..
And yet India and China are on a massive coal power station building spree.
Maybe that China that manufactures the most solar panels don’t understand that it would be just so much more cheaper to build solar power stations..
The sooner Australia can get rid of the electrical power ‘profiteers’ the better..
Maybe that China that manufactures the most solar panels don’t understand that it would be just so much more cheaper to build solar power stations..
The sooner Australia can get rid of the electrical power ‘profiteers’ the better..
China has aa very similar energy make up to Australia, except for its growing nuclear generation. Renewables make up a similar segment of about 30% of generation and increasing. The coal plants being built are mostly replacements for ageing units and some expansiom as the populations neef for electricity is rocketing as they modernise. However China does have massive plans for renewables as well.
Me, I’d look at what new coal mines are being opened around the world and where the increased coal shipments are going..
“Growing nuclear generation” Now thats some smart fellows there..
