Australian Based Pilots working at Atlas

[Duck Pilot]

Anyone know if Atlas regularly hosts recruitment information webinars for applicants?

[Harbour Dweller]

Not sure about webinars, but they have just finished a recruitment tour down the East Coast.

https://www.eventcreate.com/e/atlasaustraliantour2022

[LTBC]

Originally Posted by davidclarke

With the prospect of Atlas taking hundreds of Aussie pilots a year, the Australian airlines will continue to to be ignorant to the terms and conditions offered here, blaming everyone else, only to go crying to the government asking for access to foreign pilots to plug the shortage.

So why does Atlas need to take foreign pilots to plug the shortage if the contract is all roses?

[Lapon]

Originally Posted by LTBC

So why does Atlas need to take foreign pilots to plug the shortage if the contract is all roses?

Probably because it is all roses compared to the offerings in Australia.
Compared to the offerings for those with an unrestricted ability to live and work in the US there might be even better options.

Its all relative.

[Atlas Shrugged]

Ahem. Lower salaries.

Is that possible?????

[TSIO540]

Originally Posted by davidclarke

From what I have seen with the National Airlines contract they commute you from Australia to where ever in the world they need you. All your commuting is done during their time so at the end of your tour you will get the full 13 days off at home.
I could be wrong but his is how I have had it explained to me. This might be more beneficial if commuting from Perth.

national will commute you but only after you do 160 hours per month.. not kidding and they don’t pay overtime either. From what I’ve heard they couldn’t organise a root in a brothel with a fist full of fifties and their pants around their ankles.

[Australopithecus]

You cannot fly 160 hours in FAR land. Are you talking about duty time? Or time away from base?

[airdualbleedfault]

Originally Posted by peterpicklepeper

you we’ll pay tax there and receive a credit and that credit goes towards your tax here say if you rent your house out while your gone
as I have just found out

Yes so basically kiss goodbye to one of the benefits of working in the US (lower taxes) if you plan to commute. Apparently it's a great place to live if you like guns tho

[Capn Rex Havoc]

Originally Posted by TSIO540

national will commute you but only after you do 160 hours per month.. not kidding and they don’t pay overtime either. From what I’ve heard they couldn’t organise a root in a brothel with a fist full of fifties and their pants around their ankles.

A lot of rubbish being said here ^^^^

National commutes you home at the end of your 18 days, irrespective of hours flown.
They don’t have overtime per se but they have a flat hourly rate - 120 bucks per hour first year Fo. If you choose to work on your GDOs they pay 200 percent. ( percentage paid for GDOs is announced each month).

Australopethicus- you can fly 160 hours per month - National is 121 supplemental. 30 hr duty days, an 350 hrs max in 3 months.

[Australopithecus]

Thanks C R H, didn’t know that.

[Rataxes]

Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc

National commutes you home at the end of your 18 days, irrespective of hours flown.
They don’t have overtime per se but they have a flat hourly rate - 120 bucks per hour first year Fo. If you choose to work on your GDOs they pay 200 percent. ( percentage paid for GDOs is announced each month).

Australopethicus- you can fly 160 hours per month - National is 121 supplemental. 30 hr duty days, an 350 hrs max in 3 months.

How refreshing to see a post containing factual, useful information.

[VR-HFX]

For a small slab of folk who are in their 50's a job with Atlas or National is perfect. Even though they may have had a command somewhere else with CX or SQ Cargo, this is a chance to get two weeks a month off at home and still get paid more than LHS in their previous job. It is also a chance to recover from the mental torture of the COVID lockdowns and torture they suffered. It is also a chance to join a band of brothers who love the B744/8. Let's face it, commercial flying without PAX is heaven.

[puff]

Alliance or any other Australian airline wants to bring in overseas pilots - Aussie pilots are up in arms - pay us more there is no pilot shortage - just pilots not willing to fly for your crap conditions.....meanwhile in the USA Atlas struggles to fill seats because US pilots don't want to fly there because of the pay and conditions on offer - here the Aussies come !

Oh but the conditions are good compared to Australia - the fact that Aussie conditions are good for South Africans or pilots from other countries is beside the point of the argument it seems.

[Gnadenburg]

More than happy for our US friends, nuclear allies and E3 signatories to fly in Australia. Many of my Captains at Ansett were Americans given full citizenship by Bob Hawke. The more Americans in Australia the better!

Incidentally, I know more Aussies who have left Atlas lately than are joining!

Alliance has every right to advertise in the USA for pilots! For the laugh I’d be happy to start a Go Fund me petition to pay for the advertisement.

[krismiler]

Pay rates at US legacy airlines have bumped up quite a bit and these would obviously be the first choice for someone with a US passport. American Captains are leaving airlines in the Middle East to go home to the RHS now that the pay gap is small enough to make living at home worthwhile.

For an older pilot with Boeing wide body time who was laid off from a legacy airline during COVID and needs to fly for a few more years it might be a good deal. However it would be a hell of a commute and you’d be a zombie for all but a few days each month with the Australia to US time zone difference on top of the circadian disruption of long haul flying.

It might be an opportunity for a young bloke wanting to emigrate and get his foot in the door. Do a few years and try to change to a more permanent status while looking for something better.

[DropYourSocks]

Originally Posted by krismiler

It might be an opportunity for a young bloke wanting to emigrate and get his foot in the door. Do a few years and try to change to a more permanent status while looking for something better.

This is one of the big advantages to the likes of Atlas. You have an adventure, do some cool flying in cool machines and make some decent money. Who knows what other opportunities will come up? Maybe you go home to the career you want, or the American dream reels you in.

There have been rumblings of a certain legacy that may be entertaining the idea of E3s. If that rumor turns out to be true, it will be these widebody E3s front and center of that recruitment line. (Not my rumor btw, so don't shoot the messenger).

Point is, you've got to be in it to win it. The Atlas crew are definitely giving themselves maximum chance at winning.

[KAPAC]

The world belongs to the brave ! ( and those who have a supportive partner )

[Gnadenburg]

I’m pleased this thread moved on from a few days ago, where the Oztronaut mentality was happy to kick an own goal with supply and demand of pilots in this country.

I have to ask but WTF would you commute to Australia once you make the big bucks Stateside? Not only will it kill you if poorly done, in my calculations you may be paying up to $8000AUD + per month to the ATO in additional taxation based on a Captain’s wage. If Australia isn’t a boring country generally in your personal view, it is indisputably aviation wise. It’s quite amazing what US pilots do leisure wise in aviation and that money could buy additional aviation adventures - versus paying Aussies to sit under a tree and not work. 😊

[umop apisdn]

Originally Posted by Gnadenburg

I’m pleased this thread moved on from a few days ago, where the Oztronaut mentality was happy to kick an own goal with supply and demand of pilots in this country.

I have to ask but WTF would you commute to Australia once you make the big bucks Stateside? Not only will it kill you if poorly done, in my calculations you may be paying up to $8000AUD + per month to the ATO in additional taxation based on a Captain’s wage. If Australia isn’t a boring country generally in your personal view, it is indisputably aviation wise. It’s quite amazing what US pilots do leisure wise in aviation and that money could buy additional aviation adventures - versus paying Aussies to sit under a tree and not work. 😊

I really have no idea about Australian taxes anymore but it would be interesting to see a proper comparison.

Medical insurance here is essentially a tax, so I'd lump that in. Property taxes vs rates, car insurance costs, utilities.

There is also a big difference tax wise between living in California and Florida or Nevada.

Most Atlas pilots I've asked think they don't need to pay in Australia or have some kind of cognitive gymnastics going on that allows them to justify ignoring it.

I'd be super interested to hear from anyone who does it properly and has done a comprehensive comparison against living in and paying taxes in the US instead.

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[Verbal Kint]

Originally Posted by Gnadenburg

I’m pleased this thread moved on from a few days ago, where the Oztronaut mentality was happy to kick an own goal with supply and demand of pilots in this country.

I have to ask but WTF would you commute to Australia once you make the big bucks Stateside? Not only will it kill you if poorly done, in my calculations you may be paying up to $8000AUD + per month to the ATO in additional taxation based on a Captain’s wage. If Australia isn’t a boring country generally in your personal view, it is indisputably aviation wise. It’s quite amazing what US pilots do leisure wise in aviation and that money could buy additional aviation adventures - versus paying Aussies to sit under a tree and not work. 😊

But how would their tax position be any different to those CX/KA folks who commuted home to Oz for years?