So when will we lose the face masks on aircraft and in the terminal?

[Anilv]

wrt to the effectiveness of masks.. I usually get a cold/fever/sore throats.. not chronic but much like everybody else...usually 2-3 times a year. Since we've to masks (getting close to 2 years) I've never encountered these illnesses and I credit the widespread mask usage /hand-washing etc.

Anilv

[TurningFinalRWY36]

Originally Posted by Anilv

wrt to the effectiveness of masks.. I usually get a cold/fever/sore throats.. not chronic but much like everybody else...usually 2-3 times a year. Since we've to masks (getting close to 2 years) I've never encountered these illnesses and I credit the widespread mask usage /hand-washing etc.

Anilv

which is not a good thing, immune system needs something to do periodically. When you do catch your next cold you may find it hits a little harder than usual.

[43Inches]

Not in the Jetstar terminal you can't. On Friday they were packed in like sardines because of the long weekend in Vic and the ACT. A lot of pax aren't even bothering to wear a mask in the terminal so I could well imagine picking up Covid at Melbourne Airport on Friday.

My point is that if you are delayed 6 hours you don't have to sit in that terminal, go outside, if its raining go to one of the huge covered car parks. There's many places you can go to get away from the crush if you are scared of catching covid, the mask wont save you if you are physically rubbing against an infected person. Covid is not just hanging around in the air, you have to be near someone or touch what they have touched recently, which is why the 1.5m gap is recommended, once you get to 3 or 4 times that distance its impossible to catch unless you touch the stuff and put it in your mouth through poor hygiene.

[WingNut60]

I am generally in support of the wearing of masks but, as an example, I caught a reasonably full public bus this morning and everyone on board was wearing a mask, as required by mandate in WA.
However the driver and I were the only two that I could see who wore their mask covering their nose.
Which equates to about 90%+ non-compliant.

There is no point at all in having a "pretend" mandate.

[43Inches]

It's quite easy to see in supermarkets in Victoria for instance, as soon as the mandate was removed the customers whipped them off almost instantly, and there has been a corresponding rise in cases, however it's not resulting in massive fatalities as everyone is vaccinated. So it can be reasonably assumed that while masks work, they are not required for most of the population as Covid has lost its bite for the majority of the vaccinated. This is where the stupid message of whether masks work or not is just making the argument stagnant, the discussion is more about whether they are needed vs the severity of the disease.

[Marauder]

And yet Dictator Dan openly professes that he bases his decisions on medical advice.

The only medical advise that I have heard since he removed the mask mandate was to continue with masks ( as a minor inconvenience)

[Dave Gittins]

Jet 2, BA and Virgin have stopped the wearing of mask (unless they are still mandated at the destination.

Heathrow has stopped requiring them to be worn and Gatwick will no longer require them from 04.00 on Friday 18th March.

[twentyelevens]

We’ve gone so far down the rabbit hole over the last two years, some of the most inane arguments to defend what amounts to telling others how to live their lives, how to manage others risks, go unchallenged with nothing other than emotional hysteria to back them up.

You wanna wear a mask, good for you, your choice.

You wanna go somewhere where people don’t wear masks or don’t wear them properly (comply is the adverb I saw used), good for you, your choice. Just stop whinging about other people not doing what you demand they do.

If you asses the risk of covid is too great at these places where the nasty covid addled, non compliant people meet, don’t go. If thats what you choose good for you, your choice.

If you decide to do what you want, go where you want to go, then demand everyone else comply to minimise the perceived risk to you, grow the f*&k up, you petulant child.

[Icarus2001]

We’ve gone so far down the rabbit hole over the last two years, some of the most inane arguments to defend what amounts to telling others how to live their lives, how to manage others risks, go unchallenged with nothing other than emotional hysteria to back them up.

That pretty much sums up my view of where we are at.

Just stop whinging about other people not doing what you demand they do.

The biggest frustration I find in the world today is just that. People wanting to impose their will on others, because they are "right". Just because we are out of lock downs and mandates does not mean you HAVE to go out, stay home if you are worried and let the rest of us get on with our lives. Same for mask wearing.

[WingNut60]

Originally Posted by twentyelevens

........ Just stop whinging about other people not doing what you demand they do.

If you asses the risk of covid is too great at these places where the nasty covid addled, non compliant people meet, don’t go..................

And stop whining about people who don't comply with air traffic directives too.
If you don't like cross traffic in front of you while you're on short final then bugger off and land somewhere else.

[twentyelevens]

Originally Posted by Icarus2001

That pretty much sums up my view of where we are at.

The biggest frustration I find in the world today is just that. People wanting to impose their will on others, because they are "right". Just because we are out of lock downs and mandates does not mean you HAVE to go out, stay home if you are worried and let the rest of us get on with our lives. Same for mask wearing.

I hear ya Icurus.
For me, the biggest frustration is dealing with inane non-sequiturs as argument to a logical point. You just know these people want to scream “why won't you just do what I demand you do…coz ma feelings.”

Originally Posted by WingNut60

And stop whining about people who don't comply with air traffic directives too.
If you don't like cross traffic in front of you while you're on short final then bugger off and land somewhere else.

[43Inches]

We are all governed by rules, it's really the only reason some of your neighbors don't literally throw feces at you in an argument (some still do). If ya don't like rules you need to buy your own island state and live on it for a while. Otherwise all the poor not 1%ers who can't afford their own nation have to live by the rules that somebody else makes.

We only have to hope that the Putin madness stops with Ukraine and we don't end up in a World War situation, then you will really understand what restrictions, rationing, stupid prices and doing things you don't want to mean. The pandemic lockdowns will have looked like primary school practice compared.

[Angle of Attack]

2 years at least…

[43Inches]

I just find it funny how aggro people get about wearing a mask, and then scream at others for being a 'petulant child'. Meanwhile the rest of the country just does or does not. Sums up the last two years really, a lot of loopy wolves howling at the moon. We're at the other end and no, Dan has not become the leader of the 5th reich, yes millions have died from the disease, no we all don't have 5g installed internally and we are almost back to where we were 3 years ago with everyone pissed off at petrol prices and how hard we have to work to buy a small hovel in the burbs.

BTW I think we're all &*^*&ed by years end.

[Good Business Sense]

Do pilots of commercial GA aircraft types which don't have a cockpit door have to wear a mask in-flight in Australia and New Zealand? Many thanks

[Icarus2001]

We are all governed by rules, it's really the only reason some of your neighbors don't literally throw feces at you in an argument (some still do). If ya don't like rules you need to buy your own island state and live on it for a while.

Come on, of course we follow rules, otherwise how could I drive through a green traffic light without too much stress but that does not mean ALL rules are justified or even sensible.

I will put this in an aviation context for you. In the early days of ultralights in Australia, they could not be flown above 500 feet agl as this would be unsafe. Now they cannot be flown below 500 feet agl as this would be unsafe.
When you have a state government instructing solo drivers in cars to wear a mask you know they are making this stuff up.

BTW I think we're all &*^*&ed by years end.

In what way?

[tossbag]

In what way?

World War III

[Fogliner]

Originally Posted by Pinky the pilot

If an article written by Steve Waterson in the Weekend Australian December 24-26 last year is correct (the relevant part is a bit lengthy to quote here) according to "a Scientist who advises the British Goverment's SAGE committee on airborne transmission of the virus" it is somewhat pointless even wearing the mask!

According to this Scientist, the size of the material gaps in the blue surgical masks are up to 1000 times greater than the size of the virus! And cloth-mask gaps can be 500,000 times the size.

I have been told much the same by a few Medicos.

you seem to be missing the point that wearing a mask prevents the wearer from spewing virus laden spittle all over anything within range to then be picked up by random people and spread around.
I know you don’t think you spit while talking but people do it’s a fact.
Deny it if you like and do but you can’t deny that fact.

[tossbag]

With respect, you don't know what is going on behind the scenes. You don't know how far Putin is willing to take this. A good read is the NATO action in 1983, Able Archer. Just how close the world got to nuclear war. Present day, two VERY unstable world leaders, although one of them is reduced to dribble farm status and is not really calling the shots anyway. I don't doubt it could happen, thinking that "nah, they wouldn't do it as they know it means MAD" is a bit, naive.

[Ladloy]

Originally Posted by twentyelevens

As a U.S Federal court judge has invalidated the mask mandate on U.S carriers, and Europe has largely stopped forcing citizens to act as unwilling participants in their Government COVID clown shows, how long until we hear the first rumblings of ‘perhaps we should agitate for the same here’?

Btw, if you’re for mask wearing on aircraft, fill your boots. Its not a zero sum game. When the mandates do come off, we’ll all still respect your right to wear your compliance cloth…..because, you know, The Science ™️.