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Old 28th Nov 2021, 05:57
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Network F100 busting minima, Paraburdoo

Flight below minimum altitude involving Fokker Aircraft F100, registration VH-NHV, at Paraburdoo Airport, Western Australia, on 22 November 2021
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Ouch.. 4 attempts.
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 10:16
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4 goes- makes you wonder if they had much gas to go anywhere else
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 10:39
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4 goes- makes you wonder if they had much gas to go anywhere else
Probably not after 4 attempts, so rather than running out of gas, they do the old ‘flying it to the runway trick’. Virgin and Qantas got away with it at Mildura, but they were caught out by unforecast fog. Justifying it after 4 attempts (any holding as well?) will be a little harder. I have no idea about the RPT arrangement here, was it a mining run/charter? They mightn’t be too happy either.
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What is the purpose of the Minimum Descent Altitude?
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What is the purpose of the Minimum Descent Altitude?
To avoid getting mentioned on PPRuNe
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Torukmacto - how true! But, hang about: elderly PPruners may recall a dramatic low fuel incident with an MMA F28 in the 70s in that region of WA.

Wonder if the inquiry will reveal any similarities?
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What is the purpose of the Minimum Descent Altitude?
It’s there so the Coroner doesn’t talk about you in the past tense
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Incident: Network Australia F100 at Paraburdoo on Nov 22nd 2021, descent below minimum without visual reference

Multiple CAVOK alternates in the area at the time it seems
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I might be missing something here. How do the powers know they where not visual at minima ????
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 13:20
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I might be missing something here. How do the powers know they where not visual at minima ????
I imagine through the crew reporting it
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I imagine through the crew reporting it
maybe the FO snitched
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 14:44
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maybe the FO snitched
What ever happened to that famous CRM phrase “This will be our little secret"?
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 16:10
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Yawn. It clearly didn’t spear in… moving right along…
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 16:34
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I had a quick look at the charts and the approaches seem to have minimums of 500 to 600 feet with broken 800 reported in the metar. I would not be surprised if they had ground contact during the first approach and were fairly confident they would get in at the next attempt. Weather actually seems to have got worse certainly as far as visibility (in light showers of rain) is concerned during the further hour they spent trying to land, which was probably not what they were expecting in the Pilbara in summer. I suspect very few of us have been in this position given most company´s procedures quite rightly limit the number of missed approaches before diverting. With hindsight I am sure they wish they had made some other choices. But in a just culture self reporting usually limits punitive consequences.
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 20:12
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Would the imminent Part 121 Alternate requirements (had they been in place) have prevented this event?
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Old 28th Nov 2021, 22:57
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Normally the ops manual gives you two approaches before you have to divert, unless there is a substantial improvement in the weather. To be sure of this I would want a report from a qualified met observer on the ground rather than making my own assessment.

They may have painted themselves into a corner by going below minimum divert fuel and then having no option but to land.
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I blame Alan Joyce...
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Old 29th Nov 2021, 01:00
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Krismiler ,Remote WA is the Wild West. Very few Control Towers , fewer qualified observers and even fewer precision approaches and NO requirement for mandatory alternates for single runways. RNP has improved things but mostly its all pretty basic. Third world really.
Not hard to get into trouble especially if you are a true believer in company fuel policy. Personally I spent most of my career ignoring it WA.
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Several 2000mt sealed runways within 100nm and 20 within 200nm. Paraburdoo is far from isolated, all the nearby mine strips and then Newman at 115nm, Karatha, Hedland and Onslow all just over 150nm. With 4 attempts it seems more a fixation on getting in rather than looking for somewhere else to go, that's if what was said earlier about all the surrounding areas being CAVOK is true. After 2 or so attempts people tend to notice a jet floating around doing circles, so it gets attention, even the passengers will put in reports if they thought something was amiss.
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