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Old 19th May 2021, 06:25
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Continue to grow exponentially?? WTF are you on about?? Let’s look at the UK:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
That's a good thing, the statement should of had an "if" caveat. The point being we open up when one, the vaccine shows its doing its thing, which appears on track, and two, when sufficient amounts of population have been immunised, which has not occurred in Australia yet. At any point before point 2 occurs the virus could mutate and become more/less virulent, more/less deadly, circumvent the vaccine etc. Why rush to open the borders when you can wait it out in comfort and watch what happens.

I also think you should manage your alcohol intake before posting as that second post makes no sense to rebuff my comment on statistics, amounts that impair your ability to think clearly could lead to heart disease and or cancer.
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Old 19th May 2021, 09:43
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Originally Posted by 43Inches View Post
That's a good thing, the statement should of had an "if" caveat
Umm you did have the “if” “caveat”.
Here you go:


Originally Posted by 43Inches View Post
First and foremost, we are in the enviable position to be able to wait and watch how the vaccine takes in other countries, like the UK. If case numbers continue to grow exponentially then the vaccine is bogus and was a waste of time.
Still doesn’t make it anymore accurate.

As for this word salad:

Originally Posted by 43Inches View Post
I also think you should manage your alcohol intake before posting as that second post makes no sense to rebuff my comment on statistics, amounts that impair your ability to think clearly could lead to heart disease and or cancer.
A) I wasn’t “rebuffing” your comment on statistics, I was highlighting the fact that someone who sees a 95% REDUCTION in cases as exponential growth, probably shouldn’t lecture others.

B) I think I get the insult you’re assuming. If you wish I can correct the grammar to the point it doesn’t resemble Joe Biden without a teleprompter.




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Old 19th May 2021, 10:39
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A) I wasn’t “rebuffing” your comment on statistics, I was highlighting the fact that someone who sees a 95% REDUCTION in cases as exponential growth, probably shouldn’t lecture others.
I think the statement was clearly IF it were to happen, not to be picked apart on semantics. There is nothing there where I said numbers were actually increasing, apart from an error in tense. If you like i will replace continue with resume.
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Old 19th May 2021, 12:07
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Time for the padlock

A third Australian has just died in India since the Australian border to India was shut. I guess those 3 deaths are ok because it happened to Australians in India and didn’t happen to Australians in Australia?

Everyone has their own opinion on COVID and it’s been done to death here. I started this thread due to the previous Virgin thread getting binned, and I had hoped to explore or address the original question; now that this pandemic is in its 16th month, what is the Government going to do to ensure all of our domestic airlines stay alive?? But the thread has lost its way and it’s now just a shit fight between two different forms of opinion, which is totally fine as we are in a democratic society, but there won’t be any winners in this argument so I reckon the Mods should reach in to their bag of gaol quality padlocks and slap one on the thread.

Best of luck to all.
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Old 19th May 2021, 20:10
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The whole India and Australia debacle is just that. Has anyone noticed the ones making the most noise in the media are the ones who voluntarily left Australia for a wedding, Funeral or business! How was this so when in Australia I couldn’t go over the next adjoining border in January to visit a sick relative and yet these ppl were allowed to leave the country.

Cricketers Why? They get special treatment allowed to charter a flight to get home Gladys raises cap for one day to make it happen

Australian Olympians, are they really going to let them go to Japan, into a danger zone. seriously can’t make this up. Australia is messed up we are seeing a real line in the sand in our community.
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Old 19th May 2021, 21:11
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Just as well this isn't hosted on Facebook or a lot of deniers/anti-vaxxers would have been kicked off in the last 12 months
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Old 20th May 2021, 00:31
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377 View Post
I reckon the Mods should reach in to their bag of gaol quality padlocks and slap one on the thread.
As thread starter, feel free to fix it yourself. Presumably this is the reason the originator of the previous Virgin thread chose to delete it.
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Old 20th May 2021, 03:13
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere View Post
As thread starter, feel free to fix it yourself. Presumably this is the reason the originator of the previous Virgin thread chose to delete it.
Thanks Mod. 👍
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Old 20th May 2021, 03:31
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Seems like the lady who started the conversation has now distanced herself from it.

She told a media event at Brisbane Airport today her choice of words was far from ideal.

"I very much understand that my words taken in isolation may have offended people," Ms Hrdlicka said.

"If had time again I would use different words to make the same point.

"We are a domestic airline that is absolutely committed to keeping the community safe."
So she is not apologising for what she said just sorry that people were offended. Different words to make the same point, so does she still think its ok that people would die as long as her airline can make more money? Anyway done to death (no pun intended) whats happening at Virgin?
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Old 20th May 2021, 03:37
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An extra 700 flights a week announced today. Where on earth are they going to find the crew and aircraft to achieve that in the short to medium term ?
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Old 20th May 2021, 03:42
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https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....63dacdf92a39a9

A better headline would be:

Struggling airline says it is happy to kill passengers, awards senior management millions in bonuses
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Old 20th May 2021, 05:04
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Originally Posted by bangbounceboeing View Post
An extra 700 flights a week announced today

NEW ROUTES

Darwin-Sydney - daily during winter from July 14

Adelaide-Cairns - up to 4 flights per week from August 10

Sydney-Townsville - 3 flights per week from July 27

Melbourne-Townsville - 3 flights per week from August 17

Cairns-Perth - up to 4 flights per week from July 26

MORE FLIGHTS ON BUSY EAST COAST ROUTES (BY OCTOBER)

Sydney-Melbourne - from 130 up to 163 return flights per week

Sydney-Brisbane - from 76 up to 104 return flights per week

Melbourne-Brisbane - from 61 up to 84 return flights per week

MORE FLIGHTS ON OTHER ROUTES (BY OCTOBER)

Melbourne-Gold Coast - from 40 up to 55 return flights per week

Sydney-Gold Coast - from 49 up to 72 return flights per week

Melbourne-Sunshine Coast - from 13 up to 28 return flights per week

Sydney-Sunshine Coast - from 11 up to 26 return flights per week

Brisbane-Cairns - from 29 up to 31 return flights per week

Melbourne-Cairns - from 8 up to 20 return flights per week

Sydney-Cairns - from 10 up to 20 return flights per week

Brisbane-Proserpine/Whitsunday Coast - from 7 up to 10 return flights per week

Melbourne-Hamilton Island - up to 4 return flights per week

Melbourne-Hobart - from 18 up to 31 return flights per week

Sydney-Hobart - from 10 up to 20 return flights per week

Melbourne-Launceston - from 16 up to 21 return flights per week

Brisbane-Mackay - from 20 up to 30 return flights per week

Brisbane-Townsville - from 20 up to 31 return flights per week

Brisbane-Perth - from 17 up to 24 return flights per week

Brisbane-Canberra - from 18 up to 24 return flights per week

Adelaide-Gold Coast - from 7 up to 9 return flights per week across school holiday travel dates only

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Old 20th May 2021, 06:41
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Originally Posted by bangbounceboeing View Post
An extra 700 flights a week announced today. Where on earth are they going to find the crew and aircraft to achieve that in the short to medium term ?
Are some of these Alliance E190?
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Old 20th May 2021, 08:16
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377 View Post
The Australian Securities and Investments Commission has reveal for the first time the full scale of the airline’s strife before it was rescued - a $3.1bn loss in the year ending June 30, 2020, and it is carrying an ongoing debt of $1.2 bn.

Under the leadership of Borghetti and then ‘Scuz’, the airline was dead in the water and COVID banged the final nail in its coffin. So as much as people hate Bain and Mrs Jayne, without the two of them there would be no Virgin Australia at all, and in turn there would literally be no pilots, cabin crew and other Human Resources that make an airline possible.

My fear is that with current rumours being that International flying won’t resume until 2022, and that is very possible considering this pandemic is now in its 16th month, what is the Government going to do to ensure all of our domestic airlines stay alive??
Seems to me that she's fired all the right people that needed firing so far, I guess there's one or two previous execs that should have gone too but I suppose she needed to have someone who knew where the bodies were buried. There's still a few that need weeding out but I'm sure she'll get to them when the time is right.

Wonder if a certain person will be handing back their AO now that the full extent of the damage is known - reminds me of an old political quip from the 90s that seems appropriate "the biggest jobs and investment destroyer since the bubonic plague".......
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Old 20th May 2021, 08:20
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Originally Posted by Anti Skid On View Post
Each to their own I suppose; I am just happy I am living in a country where public health is taken seriously and not somewhere like India. The bottom line is both NZ and Australia are both significantly better off than countries that didn't implement appropriate measures and had their economies destroyed. I've been out for dinner with the missus this evening, I can do that because of those measures, Try saying that in the USA, UK, mainland Europe, etc....
Actually, since the clown left the WH and there is someone there with at least the interest in doing the job, they've vaccinated more than a third of the population I believe and the infection rates are tumbling but yes, very grateful to be living in Australia and would be happy living in NZ too.......
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Old 20th May 2021, 08:23
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With QF announcement today, then JH announcing 250 jobs including pilots adding additional routes, could this be their move on a very wounded QF? QF is still in deep deep water VA has cut their debt in half and seem to be getting stronger.
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Old 20th May 2021, 08:59
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With QF announcement today, then JH announcing 250 jobs including pilots adding additional routes, could this be their move on a very wounded QF? QF is still in deep deep water VA has cut their debt in half and seem to be getting stronger.
I think you might be spot on there, VA and Rex both squared up with equity partners, no debt. QF spending cash frivolously on loss making routes to try and maintain its magic 60% market share, but building debt to do so. The big Q might be falling into a trap that they cant dig their way out of. At some point the amount of debt will require 60% market share to be serviced. I think many might be barking up the wrong tree in thinking its Rex or VA that will balk in the long run, with QF unable to bully entrants with market power whoever survives will definitely make profits. All this depends how deep are each players pockets and how far are they willing to push. If Bain are as cut throat as is made out on here, they may smell blood in the water and push for dominance, imagine how much VA will be worth then.
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Old 20th May 2021, 09:49
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Virgin are aiming for 60% of the domestic market and now is the time to attack Qantas with 100 international airframes sitting on the ground.I don’t know what the leasing arrangements would be on these aircraft?But Virgin are leasing aircraft on an hourly flying rate.
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Old 20th May 2021, 10:53
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Originally Posted by mates rates View Post
Virgin are aiming for 60% of the domestic market and now is the time to attack Qantas with 100 international airframes sitting on the ground.I don’t know what the leasing arrangements would be on these aircraft?But Virgin are leasing aircraft on an hourly flying rate.
Virgin targeting 60% of domestic market when they only have about 30% now? I’m sorry but that doesn’t pass the pub test.
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Old 20th May 2021, 11:22
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
With QF announcement today, then JH announcing 250 jobs including pilots adding additional routes, could this be their move on a very wounded QF? QF is still in deep deep water VA has cut their debt in half and seem to be getting stronger.
QF wounded? Deep water?
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