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Old 13th May 2021, 23:00
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Once upon a time this position was revered. When you employ check out chicks and pay peanuts guess what you get.....
At J* they are short of cc because the good people at the Victorian Department of Justice employed a lot of experienced cabin managers to run their hotel quarantine. Better money and lifestyle was the reason they left and have stayed away.
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Old 14th May 2021, 03:52
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Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink View Post
How many of those were fully vaccinated? Because that’s the issue isn’t it - get the population vaccinated, almost eliminates the chance of people getting seriously sick from Covid, significantly reduces transmission of the disease and then things (like international borders) can return to normal.
Its a simple strategy! Why can’t we in Oz get our acts in order to accomplish this? The ultimate nanny state should be easy to vaccinate!
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Old 15th May 2021, 06:57
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Originally Posted by Lookleft View Post
At J* they are short of cc because the good people at the Victorian Department of Justice employed a lot of experienced cabin managers to run their hotel quarantine. Better money and lifestyle was the reason they left and have stayed away.
Hotel quarantine isn't a long term prospective so it's a bit short sighted to give up a perm job for a contract.
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Old 15th May 2021, 08:12
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Hotel quarantine isn't a long term prospective so it's a bit short sighted to give up a perm job for a contract
That shows you just how crap the job of F/A is.
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Old 15th May 2021, 08:23
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist View Post
Its a simple strategy! Why can’t we in Oz get our acts in order to accomplish this? The ultimate nanny state should be easy to vaccinate!
Big part of it is that our whack job/conspiracy % of the population matches only that of the US.
QLD are already finding that they’re vaccinated everyone over 50 in some parts of FNQ who want to get vaccinated, and it’s sitting waay below 50% of that portion of the population...
These are the same oldies the rest of us have been disproportionately affected by, to protect them up until this point in time.

Time to give the way more vulnerable boomers an ultimatum before we just open up and they roll the dice.

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Old 15th May 2021, 10:03
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Originally Posted by TimmyTee View Post
Big part of it is that our whack job/conspiracy % of the population matches only that of the US.
QLD are already finding that they’re vaccinated everyone over 50 in some parts of FNQ who want to get vaccinated, and it’s sitting waay below 50% of that portion of the population...
These are the same oldies the rest of us have been disproportionately affected by, to protect them up until this point in time.

Time to give the way more vulnerable boomers an ultimatum before we just open up and they roll the dice.
Your assessment is bullshit.
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Old 15th May 2021, 10:05
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Originally Posted by ANstar View Post
Hotel quarantine isn't a long term prospective so it's a bit short sighted to give up a perm job for a contract.
Some have taken full time perm contracts in the Public service. Nothing to do with HQ. Many Departments have taken on staff.

70-80k, good promotional opportunities, day hours and a stable job.
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Old 15th May 2021, 10:06
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Some have taken full time perm contracts in the Public service. Nothing to do with HQ. Many Depts have taken on staff.

70-80k, good promotional opportunities, day hours and a stable job.

The “Like” button.
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Old 15th May 2021, 10:31
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Is that a serious comment - $70k to $80k ?? That is absolutely shit money. Who gets out of bed for that kind of money??
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Old 15th May 2021, 11:06
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Entry level jobs in various departments start around that number.

CC wages have never been sky high. Promotional opportunities are quite limited. A extra 20-30k a year just off the bat would be quite helpful to some. 6 figures would be in reach after a few years.

Who gets out of bed for that kind of money??
I got half that for the first 10 years in GA. Some years later I now earn 8 times my GA wage today. Gotta start somewhere!

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Old 15th May 2021, 22:43
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Is that a serious comment - $70k to $80k ?? That is absolutely shit money. Who gets out of bed for that kind of money??
This is from the ABS:
Estimates for average weekly ordinary time earnings for full-time adults (seasonally adjusted):

Increased by 3.2% to $1,711.60 annually to November 2020.
Males: $1,970.90 (public), and $1,770.30 (private).
Females: $1,762.00 (public), and $1,475.50 (private).
This is from Stats NZ:

Comparing the June 2020 quarter with the June 2019 quarter, the median weekly income:

from all sources decreased $54 (7.6 percent) to $652
from wages and salaries increased $44 (4.3 percent) to $1,060
from government transfers increased $23 (6.7 percent) to $364
for self-employed people decreased $96 (12.5 percent) to $671.
The median hourly income from wages and salaries increased $1.47 (5.8 percent) to $27.00
You do the maths to work out the annual salary- if you can be bothered getting out of bed.
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Old 15th May 2021, 23:11
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Originally Posted by Lookleft View Post
This is from the ABS:

This is from Stats NZ:
You do the maths to work out the annual salary- if you can be bothered getting out of bed.
Correct, I couldn’t be bothered to get out of bed to research posted statistical mathematical drivel provided by a prime Troll. NZ stats, AUS stats, Zimbabwean stats, yada yada yada. I’ve contributed plenty to the aviation industry and continue to do so, but I have enough wealth built up to allow me to sleep as long as I like. But you go right ahead and keep comparing those salary statistics Looky, you never know, one day you might crack your low paid salary cap!
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Old 16th May 2021, 00:02
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377 View Post
Is that a serious comment - $70k to $80k ?? That is absolutely shit money. Who gets out of bed for that kind of money??
While I think I know where you’re coming from mate, there a hundreds if not thousands of former Airline Pilots who are now getting out of bed for even less.

If you’ve been fortunate or even prudent enough to secure a good retirement from your career, then more power to you.
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Old 16th May 2021, 00:37
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Originally Posted by KRUSTY 34 View Post
While I think I know where you’re coming from mate, there a hundreds if not thousands of former Airline Pilots who are now getting out of bed for even less.

If you’ve been fortunate or even prudent enough to secure a good retirement from your career, then more power to you.
I hear you Krusty. It was once a respected career choice, to be an airline pilot. But the days of corporate greed, CEO greed and shareholder demands has created an imbalance. Once upon a time an airline could make good money and pay good remuneration for a Pilot, all this at the same time. The two worked hand in hand, almost in a symbiotic relationship, but not anymore. The pendulum has swung away from beneficial pilot/employer relationships to a relationship of distrust and disrespect on both sides. I don’t know if or how this can or will be ever returned. Airline executives need to understand the skills a Pilot and an Engineer (and other good folk) have and treat them as professionals who have spent lots of money and lots of years becoming a necessary and valuable tool in their organisation. Pilots, Engineers and others need to understand a CEO/Board role and how without money and profits there will be no airline. Whoever can solve that conundrum and successfully market it in todays environment will probably become wealthier than that parasite Bill Gates.


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Old 16th May 2021, 09:04
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There are exceptions

I would think DL are an exception to the greedy company takes all and f*&k the front line people, professional pilots and CC.
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Old 17th May 2021, 00:50
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377 View Post
$70k to $80k ?? That is absolutely shit money
Still better than a F/A Wage
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Old 17th May 2021, 06:36
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Back to Virgin

https://www.smh.com.au/national/virg...17-p57sn2.html

Interesting comment from someone who was complaining that the last company she dealt with didn't have feelings for a vulnerable family member close to her.

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Old 17th May 2021, 06:45
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Kudos to a CEO not being afraid to say vaccinate the population and open the borders.
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Old 17th May 2021, 06:50
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Back to Virgin

https://www.smh.com.au/national/virg...17-p57sn2.html

Interesting comment from someone who was complaining that the last company she dealt with didn't have feelings for a vulnerable family member close to her.
Australian Aviation's regurgitation of the SMH article too... Virgin CEO says Australia must open sooner even if ‘some people die’ – Australian Aviation
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Old 17th May 2021, 06:56
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Kudos to a CEO not being afraid to say vaccinate the population and open the borders.
But if AJ made those comments he would be crucified. Its ok that JH does tho.
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