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Old 29th Sep 2021, 06:12
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Tiger 320/737 and Virgin 737 was 98 combined in FY19. Widebody domestic capacity was equal to around 5 737s.

Pretty much the 104 quoted above.

I really donít think you need to have an all out capacity war against Rex, and itís what 5 737s, to remove it. Lack of scale will basically kill that operation. I mean it will probably go on for a bit, Tiger persisted 13 years with no earnings. Not sure if they have as much patience.
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Old 29th Sep 2021, 06:26
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With the return of the crews made redundant, are they required to pay back any of the pay out cash or has it worked out to be a golden handshake. You would have to think they had it best- good pay out 12 months off and slip right back in to the left on the good cash. If you were senior I’m sure there was no doubt that you would be back in the time frame in the EBA.
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Old 29th Sep 2021, 06:50
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Wouldn't have thought so
But I sure am not an employment lawyer expert type person
Their employment terminated thus redundancy payment & now new employees of a new entity
Would have been a stretch to have that in a clause of re-employment - please pay back to the new entity , the redundancy money you got from previous employment at old entity

The redundancy wasn't that great anyway ? , or am I wrong yet again
Didn't the previous contract have it "capped" at 18 weeks or something, I thought the legal min was 2 weeks for every year ? (other airlines in Aust get 4 weeks for every year if CR)
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Old 29th Sep 2021, 07:47
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
With the return of the crews made redundant, are they required to pay back any of the pay out cash or has it worked out to be a golden handshake. You would have to think they had it best- good pay out 12 months off and slip right back in to the left on the good cash. If you were senior Iím sure there was no doubt that you would be back in the time frame in the EBA.
You wouldn't have to pay it back but service length resets to zero. I'm not sure how seniority works in these situations though.
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Old 29th Sep 2021, 07:57
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
With the return of the crews made redundant, are they required to pay back any of the pay out cash or has it worked out to be a golden handshake. You would have to think they had it best- good pay out 12 months off and slip right back in to the left on the good cash. If you were senior Iím sure there was no doubt that you would be back in the time frame in the EBA.
Pretty sure any of the guys that got the so-called ďgolden handshakeĒ 😂 - selling homes, working in Woolies (if you were lucky), relationship issues, depression, etc - would have very happily swapped their lot for any takers that remained employed.

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Old 29th Sep 2021, 07:58
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Pretty much all those I know made redundant used the funds to try and just survive. The cash ran out pretty quick.

Not many if any would be in the position to repay anything.
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Old 29th Sep 2021, 12:06
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
With the return of the crews made redundant, are they required to pay back any of the pay out cash or has it worked out to be a golden handshake. You would have to think they had it best- good pay out 12 months off and slip right back in to the left on the good cash. If you were senior I’m sure there was no doubt that you would be back in the time frame in the EBA.
One of the most self entitled, self centred, lack of empathy statements ever made on PPRuNe, well done you.

But what would you expect of someone who can’t even count?
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Old 1st Oct 2021, 03:51
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Little bird tells me that some crews are being rostered for Max difference training?
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Old 1st Oct 2021, 08:27
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Little bird tells me that some crews are being rostered for Max difference training?
Hundreds of VA pilots have done the Max differences and still more have done training like UPRT and ZQN port qual in the Max device. Regardless of when the airframes turn up, it benefits the company: Max qualified pilots can do recurrent sims in the Max, reducing the demand on the two NG devices. But all accounts the Max flies nicely and the sim is a great device.
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Old 1st Oct 2021, 13:23
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Any substance in whispers N.Z base will eventually open up in Virgin ops across tasman??
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Old 1st Oct 2021, 13:57
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Any substance in whispers N.Z base will eventually open up in Virgin ops across tasman??
Tasman flying ambitions might have changed today for a few. NZ boosting its border charges from $20 to $46 from December 1. Thatís the profit margin gone right there, if even that, in what was already a very marginal market.

So a return NZ airfare now totals about $250-$300 of taxes and charges. Renders low cost airlines on the Tasman unsustainable, great work Jacinda.
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Old 1st Oct 2021, 18:50
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Just my own opinion, but I don't believe jacindys ncrease in fees will make too much difference........although I do acknowledge its potentially another kick in the nuts for the tourist industry. The airlines will pass the extra cost to the punters and let them decide. After all the crap we have been through in the last 18 months an extra 30 bucks ain't much in order to start moving again. Time will tell I guess.
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Old 1st Oct 2021, 21:43
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Originally Posted by Logan31 View Post
Any substance in whispers N.Z base will eventually open up in Virgin ops across tasman??
Youíd have to think this is unlikely. Lots of recruitment going on (and more to come) that would have a fair number of the WB crew back on the 73 - but all based in Oz.

The airline is approaching the same number of 737s as pre administration. There is a strong push for Ďefficiencyí especially with the new EA.

The decision to close NZ bases was probably in the mix before going into administration which makes it hard to think they will open them back up. Especially if the ZQN flying is anything to go by for what the NZ schedule will look like - early departures from AUS across the Tasman and back late arvo. That sort of flying can easily be crewed ex Aus.
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Old 1st Oct 2021, 21:47
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Many years ago Fiji increased it departure tax from something small ($99?) to $250 and life went on and the tourist numbers kept on increasing. So yes passing the cost on will hurt but thereís always more to the picture. Jacinda has to recover the $120b and rising, sheís spent keeping COVID out, because it want come from government efficiencies.
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Old 1st Oct 2021, 22:11
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Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink View Post
Youíd have to think this is unlikely. Lots of recruitment going on (and more to come) that would have a fair number of the WB crew back on the 73 - but all based in Oz.

The airline is approaching the same number of 737s as pre administration. There is a strong push for Ďefficiencyí especially with the new EA.

The decision to close NZ bases was probably in the mix before going into administration which makes it hard to think they will open them back up. Especially if the ZQN flying is anything to go by for what the NZ schedule will look like - early departures from AUS across the Tasman and back late arvo. That sort of flying can easily be crewed ex Aus.
this will all depend on how VA places its self in the market. Itís all good saying itís efficient to do SYD-ZQN-SYD, but thatís only 5 hours flight time for the frame. Moving that aircraft to and from domestic is a hassle and doesnít really fit into a proper trans Tasman or greater international schedule, having the aircraft doing Akl-Syd-ZQN-Syd-Akl suddenly has that aircraft hitting 13 hrs per day, highly efficient. Same with Bne and Melbourne sectors, it might mean a change of thinking with VA overnighting crew in Qn but the fears of crew being stuck there because of weather has long gone with RNP. Itís either Australian based crew overnighting in NZ or having an Auckland base again. Thereís a reason why Auckland is the hub for JC,J*, ANZ, itís the most efficient way to fly the Tasman. Itís a reason why the old PB crew went chc-bne-nan-bne-chc, youíre looking at 13-14 hours utilisation. Itís either that our VA gives up on all the early morning NZ departures from NZ, basically giving that market and it connecting pax/freight to QF/NZ. Letís see what direction they go?
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Old 1st Oct 2021, 22:42
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Originally Posted by big buddah View Post
this will all depend on how VA places its self in the market. Itís all good saying itís efficient to do SYD-ZQN-SYD
Sorry - to be clear I wasnít implying that an aeroplane only doing SYD ZQN SYD is an efficient use of an aircraft. As you said - the aircraft utilisation where the aeroplane starts early morning in AKL and ends the day in AKL is a particularly efficient use of the frame.

The utilisation of VANZ crew (as well as VAI BNE) was particularly low especially when compared to what the VAA crew were doing. Based on that - I would think itís more likely that Aus crew would overnight in AKL as opposed to starting a new base if the aircraft is schedule to start the day early in the morning in NZ. Having said that, with the opening of ADL there seems to be a push to reduce overnights? When things were Ďnormalí ADL had a lot of aircraft that overnighted - I wonder if AKL will have the same when things pick up, or if itís more likely to be 3-4 which wouldnít warrant a base.

Ultimately, until we see a NZ schedule, this is all guess work. The Aus based crew have been told they will be flying the Tasman - in the short term thatís what will happen. In the long term - who knows. But it probably needs to be taken in the context that there are about 850 pilots on the list at the moment who are employed at VA, and they are about to announce more and thatís for 77 aircraft. Hard to see the need for another base opening which would again increase headcount.
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Old 1st Oct 2021, 23:46
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Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink View Post
Sorry - to be clear I wasnít implying that an aeroplane only doing SYD ZQN SYD is an efficient use of an aircraft. As you said - the aircraft utilisation where the aeroplane starts early morning in AKL and ends the day in AKL is a particularly efficient use of the frame.

The utilisation of VANZ crew (as well as VAI BNE) was particularly low especially when compared to what the VAA crew were doing. Based on that - I would think itís more likely that Aus crew would overnight in AKL as opposed to starting a new base if the aircraft is schedule to start the day early in the morning in NZ. Having said that, with the opening of ADL there seems to be a push to reduce overnights? When things were Ďnormalí ADL had a lot of aircraft that overnighted - I wonder if AKL will have the same when things pick up, or if itís more likely to be 3-4 which wouldnít warrant a base.

Ultimately, until we see a NZ schedule, this is all guess work. The Aus based crew have been told they will be flying the Tasman - in the short term thatís what will happen. In the long term - who knows. But it probably needs to be taken in the context that there are about 850 pilots on the list at the moment who are employed at VA, and they are about to announce more and thatís for 77 aircraft. Hard to see the need for another base opening which would again increase headcount.
Any idea when they release Captain numbers? Do you think any more ac beyond the 77 or thatís it for a while?
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Old 2nd Oct 2021, 04:55
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Itís all good saying itís efficient to do SYD-ZQN-SYD, but thatís only 5 hours flight time for the frame.
It looks more likely that a Syd based airframe would stay on the international side, do a ZQN return from 10am to 5pm then up to Bali, arriving back as a red eye.

That sounds like excellent utilisation to me.

Any idea when they release Captain numbers?
Dunno when but I've heard 24 this year.

Do you think any more ac beyond the 77 or thatís it for a while?
The Silkair seven won't all be online until Feb or March. If demand is greater than what can be met there are still ex VA/TT airframes that could be reintroduced.
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Old 2nd Oct 2021, 06:09
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo View Post
Tasman flying ambitions might have changed today for a few. NZ boosting its border charges from $20 to $46 from December 1. Thatís the profit margin gone right there, if even that, in what was already a very marginal market.

So a return NZ airfare now totals about $250-$300 of taxes and charges. Renders low cost airlines on the Tasman unsustainable, great work Jacinda.
Jacinta? That's odd, I thought Australia imposed a border charge of $55. Or is that not right?
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Old 2nd Oct 2021, 09:24
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Originally Posted by On Guard View Post
Any idea when they release Captain numbers? Do you think any more ac beyond the 77 or thatís it for a while?
They donít have the crew required for the Silk Air aircraft - so thatís next phase of recruitment. Given the first of the Silk Air aircraft arrive this month, with the last to arrive early next year, I think itís fair to assume the Captain numbers will be released very soon, as itís going to be a massive recruitment and training effort to get everyone through to ensure all aircraft are fully crewed.

It would be nice to think more aircraft might be arriving - but itís hard to tell. JQ are saying they will be 110-120% of pre COVID size, plus throw Rex into the market and QF using the QQ Ejets. That is a hell of a lot of aeroplanes that will be flying around Aus next year. I think VA will likely hold at 77 aircraft, and if things are going well, the Max10s that start to arrive in 2023 will be further growth to the required numbers, and then youíll see a phasing out some of the older aircraft that they have. Thatís all pure guesswork though.

Itís all good signs at the moment. Who would have thought this is where VA would be 12 months ago.
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