ABC: Pilot Recency
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ABC: Pilot Recency
Coronavirus grounded planes all over the world. Will pilots be out of practice when flying resumes
There have already been several incidents in recent months.
In September, an Indonesian passenger plane with 318 people on board veered off the runway upon landing in Sumatra.
The Lion Air Airbus A330 broke two runway lights and sustained damage to several tyres and wheels, as it travelled outside the runway for a distance before exiting towards the arrival gate.
No-one was injured, but a preliminary investigation by Indonesia's National Transport Safety Committee (NTSC) found the pilot had flown only two hours and 56 minutes within the previous three months.
The second-in-command pilot had not flown once since February 1.
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From the ABC article :
'Its refresher courses include multiple simulator sessions, ground school training and a mental health assessment.'
I wonder what a 'mental health assessment' involves ? Would be careful answering that one !
'Its refresher courses include multiple simulator sessions, ground school training and a mental health assessment.'
I wonder what a 'mental health assessment' involves ? Would be careful answering that one !
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The simulator can only do so much, and the limited time available needs to be used to tick the box for the regulatory requirements. Realistically it will take around a month of regular flying practice to feel comfortable again. Fortunately we are not going straight back into a busy environment and the ramp up will be gradual, which gives less pressure whilst we get back in practice.
Remember that it’s not just the pilots that have been affected, air traffic controllers, engineers, cabin crew and ground staff who all perform safety critical roles are in the same position.
Remember that it’s not just the pilots that have been affected, air traffic controllers, engineers, cabin crew and ground staff who all perform safety critical roles are in the same position.
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That Lion accident was always going to happen I would be mindful trying to connect that to this pandemic. I wasn’t expecting that machine to make it to its first heavy check in one piece. Give it time, they are the masters of destroying things, they will write it off at some point.
I was relatively comfortable about 3 weeks in. Some others were not, and my advice to all is just go slow. I have had to slow things down, even though I felt fine, for those next to me who were a tad nervous. Or had to slow things down, to those over confident next to me, who said they were fine, then things started crumbling and they clearly sat out of their depth.
I was relatively comfortable about 3 weeks in. Some others were not, and my advice to all is just go slow. I have had to slow things down, even though I felt fine, for those next to me who were a tad nervous. Or had to slow things down, to those over confident next to me, who said they were fine, then things started crumbling and they clearly sat out of their depth.
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I see GT is no longer an "expert" and now an "analyst". He is still talking complete bo!!ocks Coronavirus grounded planes all over the world. Will pilots be out of practice when flying resumes? - ABC News
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The Lion Air Airbus A330 broke two runway lights and sustained damage to several tyres and wheels, as it travelled outside the runway for a distance before exiting towards the arrival gate.
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My understanding is that there are recency rules in Australia. My guess is that they’ll be complied with.
As to pilot ‘mental health assessments’, I have to say that these days I do not underestimate CASA Avmed’s capacity to turn any perceived risk into a potential disaster. And CASA Avmed will undoubtedly be licking its bureaucratic lips at the busy-work that will arise from Covid19-related infection and vaccine risks.
As to pilot ‘mental health assessments’, I have to say that these days I do not underestimate CASA Avmed’s capacity to turn any perceived risk into a potential disaster. And CASA Avmed will undoubtedly be licking its bureaucratic lips at the busy-work that will arise from Covid19-related infection and vaccine risks.
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Pilot recency
I was expecting this aspect of lack of currency, airlines or GA, to have an effect on handling skills with the result being small but note worthy events. And they are only the ones that we hear about.
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Anything the ABC puts out as news I treat with a grain of salt, bunch of biased grubs we pay for!
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Ok guys go and get a job or do something useful, instead of whinging about so called bias in the ABC media. If you’ve got an issue I’ll give you a tissue. pathetic.
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Speaking personally having just returned to the coal face after eight months' furlough.........
I'm being afforded 7 sim sessions and a few less flights under the supervision of the company's training department. After sim session number 4 I still feel ... rusty, uncurrent and procedurally slow. The actual manipulation of the aircraft doesn't feel too bad, subjectively, but getting back up to speed with the SOP knowledge is taking a while. In reality my manual handling probably peaked about twenty years ago and has been on a downward slide ever since.
Just plain forgetting stuff is always an issue even for guys who remain current, now add the usual number of changes to the operation our lot seem to like introducing routinely, and a break from operating of over 8 months, whilst in my mid 50's, and it's blatantly obvious how lack of currency affects one's competence. And to some degree confidence.
Some of the trainers get it, some don't. That's ok though, always take the rough with the smooth. At this stage of my career I'm not out for brownie points, just happy to still be employed when so many colleagues have been let go forever. Hopefully looking forward to feeling sharp again (well, moderately!) and hoping to deliver a sufficient level of professionalism to keep going.
Best wishes to all.
I'm being afforded 7 sim sessions and a few less flights under the supervision of the company's training department. After sim session number 4 I still feel ... rusty, uncurrent and procedurally slow. The actual manipulation of the aircraft doesn't feel too bad, subjectively, but getting back up to speed with the SOP knowledge is taking a while. In reality my manual handling probably peaked about twenty years ago and has been on a downward slide ever since.
Just plain forgetting stuff is always an issue even for guys who remain current, now add the usual number of changes to the operation our lot seem to like introducing routinely, and a break from operating of over 8 months, whilst in my mid 50's, and it's blatantly obvious how lack of currency affects one's competence. And to some degree confidence.
Some of the trainers get it, some don't. That's ok though, always take the rough with the smooth. At this stage of my career I'm not out for brownie points, just happy to still be employed when so many colleagues have been let go forever. Hopefully looking forward to feeling sharp again (well, moderately!) and hoping to deliver a sufficient level of professionalism to keep going.
Best wishes to all.
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Re: Pilot Mental Health
As to pilot ‘mental health assessments’, I have to say that these days I do not underestimate CASA Avmed’s capacity to turn any perceived risk into a potential disaster.
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Speaking personally having just returned to the coal face after eight months' furlough.........
I'm being afforded 7 sim sessions and a few less flights under the supervision of the company's training department. After sim session number 4 I still feel ... rusty, uncurrent and procedurally slow. The actual manipulation of the aircraft doesn't feel too bad, subjectively, but getting back up to speed with the SOP knowledge is taking a while. In reality my manual handling probably peaked about twenty years ago and has been on a downward slide ever since.
Just plain forgetting stuff is always an issue even for guys who remain current, now add the usual number of changes to the operation our lot seem to like introducing routinely, and a break from operating of over 8 months, whilst in my mid 50's, and it's blatantly obvious how lack of currency affects one's competence. And to some degree confidence.
Some of the trainers get it, some don't. That's ok though, always take the rough with the smooth. At this stage of my career I'm not out for brownie points, just happy to still be employed when so many colleagues have been let go forever. Hopefully looking forward to feeling sharp again (well, moderately!) and hoping to deliver a sufficient level of professionalism to keep going.
Best wishes to all.
I'm being afforded 7 sim sessions and a few less flights under the supervision of the company's training department. After sim session number 4 I still feel ... rusty, uncurrent and procedurally slow. The actual manipulation of the aircraft doesn't feel too bad, subjectively, but getting back up to speed with the SOP knowledge is taking a while. In reality my manual handling probably peaked about twenty years ago and has been on a downward slide ever since.
Just plain forgetting stuff is always an issue even for guys who remain current, now add the usual number of changes to the operation our lot seem to like introducing routinely, and a break from operating of over 8 months, whilst in my mid 50's, and it's blatantly obvious how lack of currency affects one's competence. And to some degree confidence.
Some of the trainers get it, some don't. That's ok though, always take the rough with the smooth. At this stage of my career I'm not out for brownie points, just happy to still be employed when so many colleagues have been let go forever. Hopefully looking forward to feeling sharp again (well, moderately!) and hoping to deliver a sufficient level of professionalism to keep going.
Best wishes to all.
It’s going to be “interesting” when the A380 crew are called back after a year or two away, given that all captains, most FOs and a few SOs are north of 50.