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The future of VARA?

Old 1st Aug 2020, 11:55
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Originally Posted by zanthrus View Post
The whole sorry mess is just a shonky shell game with a net value of -$6.8 billion. Wind it all up and get the employees some entitlement. Virgin is a dead duck limping. Don’t let these crooked administrators take any more fees for doing essentially nothing.
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 08:29
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Does anyone here know how many A320s VARA has in its fleet?
I count the following and they’re all active flying over the next few days.
VNB
VNF
VNJ
VNP
YUD
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 09:30
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Originally Posted by whisperjet146 View Post
Does anyone here know how many A320s VARA has in its fleet?
I count the following and they’re all active flying over the next few days.
VNB
VNF
VNJ
VNP
YUD
FNP is also one of theirs. It's been parked up since May. Interestingly or otherwise, the only A320 that VARA isn't flying is the one that they own outright; the other five are leased.
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 09:51
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FNP is currently up for sale and withdrawn from service.
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 10:16
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VH- Foxtrot November Papa......

Originally Posted by PoppaJo View Post
FNP is currently up for sale and withdrawn from service.
ex SkyWest according to this (be, the start of the Type, way back then...??) : VH-FNP Airbus A320-231

And, 3x AOC's (remain...) in the Group: https://www.casa.gov.au/search_aoc/V...nal%20Airlines

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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 23:14
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Originally Posted by Section28- BE View Post
ex SkyWest according to this (be, the start of the Type, way back then...??) : VH-FNP Airbus A320-231

And, 3x AOC's (remain...) in the Group: https://www.casa.gov.au/search_aoc/V...nal%20Airlines

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The Tiger AOC is also still current - https://www.casa.gov.au/search_aoc/Tiger%20Airways

Interesting to note that the Tiger AOC was re-issued in June and is current till 2023. All the other Virgin AOCs (domestic, international and regional) were re-issued in May.
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 23:51
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo View Post
FNP is currently up for sale and withdrawn from service.
Is it listed online anywhere?
She’s had quite an operational history.
Given what alliance just paid for their E190 deal it mustn’t be worth much.

That guy in NZ, Mike Pero is yet to announce which carrier he’s partnered with on Christchurch - Rarotonga to operate charter flights.
Could’ve been some good extra revenue work for Virgin group.
Especially given they have operational experience on that route with VAINZ only a couple of years ago.
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Old 4th Aug 2020, 11:58
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ex: the FED COURT- Hughes, in the matter of Vah Newco No. 2 Pty Ltd.....

Judgment, ex the Proceedings of 30 July 2020- published today 04/08/2020.

Shall just drop this here, 'should' it be of interest: https://www.fedcourt.gov.au/__data/a...0-FCA-1121.pdf

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Old 5th Aug 2020, 00:33
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ex ASX: ASX RELEASE Virgin Australia Holdings.......

ASX Link here: https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/202008...hmj7fsgdg4.pdf

Extract:

The Group will move to an all-Boeing 737 mainline fleet for domestic and short haul operations which will see the removal of ATR, Boeing 777, Airbus A330 and Tigerair Airbus A320 aircraft. The Group’s regional and charter fleet will remain, while the company reviews options at Virgin Australia Regional Airlines (VARA), including different operating models to support continued regional and charter flying.
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Old 5th Aug 2020, 01:52
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Originally Posted by Section28- BE View Post
Judgment, ex the Proceedings of 30 July 2020- published today 04/08/2020.

Shall just drop this here, 'should' it be of interest: https://www.fedcourt.gov.au/__data/a...0-FCA-1121.pdf

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So this would be one of the more interesting pieces.

FACTUAL BACKGROUND

13 On 7 June 2018, Mr Hughes was engaged by the Virgin Group to assist in deregistering or winding up dormant entities or entities with limited or no assets within the Virgin Group.

14 The Companies were identified as falling into that category and, on 26 April 2019, Mr Hughes was appointed as the liquidator of each of the Companies pursuant to s 491(1) of the Corporations Act 2001 (Cth) (the ‘Corporations Act’) by special resolution passed by Virgin Australia Airlines Holdings Pty Ltd, the sole shareholder of each of the Companies. Declarations of solvency were signed by the directors.

15 The Liquidator prepared statutory lodgements and invited proofs of debt to be lodged, but thus far no proofs have been lodged and no claims have been notified.

16 While it was initially thought that the Companies were dormant entities with no liabilities, Mr Hughes says he now understands that:

(1) VB Investco and VAH Newco 2 is each a party to a deed of cross-guarantee dated 18 June 2007 (the ‘DOCG’), including with certain other companies in the Virgin Group, which provides that upon the winding up of an entity to the DOCG (either in insolvency or as a creditor voluntary winding up), each other entity to the DOCG is liable for its debts; and

(2) VAH Newco 2 is a guarantor of the following notes (the ‘Notes’) issued by VAH:

(a) the ‘VAH Unlisted 2018 Notes’: AUD$150,000,000 (face value) of 8.25% unsecured Fixed Rate Notes issued by VAH on 30 May 2018 and due for repayment on 30 May 2023;

(b) the ‘VAH Unlisted 2019 Notes’: AUD$250,000,000 (face value) of 8.075% unsecured Fixed Rate Notes issued by VAH on 5 March 2019 and due for repayment on 5 March 2024; and

(c) the ‘USD 2016 Senior Notes’: USD$350,000,000 (face value) of 7.875% Senior Notes issued by VAH and due for repayment on 15 October 2021.
Mr Hughes was appointed two years ago to tidy up dormant corporate entities and not only hadn't he managed to make much headway in that period, it took the business being placed into administration for him to realise that two of companies that he was meant to have been liquidating weren't dormant at all.
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Old 5th Aug 2020, 02:41
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Yes and Yes, Indeed.

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Old 5th Aug 2020, 05:32
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Originally Posted by MickG0105 View Post
So this would be one of the more interesting pieces.



Mr Hughes was appointed two years ago to tidy up dormant corporate entities and not only hadn't he managed to make much headway in that period, it took the business being placed into administration for him to realise that two of companies that he was meant to have been liquidating weren't dormant at all.
I wonder how much Mr Hughes was being paid for that little job. White collar crime, it should be called. That is dragging it out and making money when not doing the job your are paid for. Handsomely as well, I bet.
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Old 7th Aug 2020, 04:25
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Originally Posted by whisperjet146 View Post
Is it listed online anywhere?
She’s had quite an operational history.
Given what alliance just paid for their E190 deal it mustn’t be worth much.

That guy in NZ, Mike Pero is yet to announce which carrier he’s partnered with on Christchurch - Rarotonga to operate charter flights.
Could’ve been some good extra revenue work for Virgin group.
Especially given they have operational experience on that route with VAINZ only a couple of years ago.
FNP is up on MyAirTrade for sale, has been for a while. Virgin bought it off Avation a couple of years ago when it came to end of lease, probably to avoid the (reportedly) tough end-of-lease conditions.
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Old 19th Nov 2020, 02:02
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VARA lives to fight another day and so it should.
Well done boys, you know who you are even if most don’t. They brought a knife to a gunfight and won.
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Old 19th Nov 2020, 02:30
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Originally Posted by wotwazthat View Post
VARA lives to fight another day and so it should.
Well done boys, you know who you are even if most don’t. They brought a knife to a gunfight and won.
Could you expand on that, without identifying anyone? Did they stick to their guns regarding pay and conditions? Cheers.
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Old 19th Nov 2020, 03:03
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Did they stick to their guns regarding pay and conditions?
They volunteered a pay cut.
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Old 19th Nov 2020, 03:24
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Originally Posted by non_state_actor View Post
They volunteered a pay cut.
Oh. Ok. Either that or made to like VA. I hope it wasnt too much or too painful for everyone. Hope it all works out. Take care.

Cheers
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Old 19th Nov 2020, 05:04
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They haven’t volunteered anything yet. They are still in negotiations just like mainline.
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Old 19th Nov 2020, 06:01
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Virgin is as of yesterday no longer in administration..
Why anyone would advocate a change in conditions is beyond me.
Bain bought the business knowing the employee conditions. If they can’t make it work they shouldn’t have bought the business.

I guarantee otherwise they’ll be walking away in 3-4 years time slapping their back about how much money they made at everyone else’s expense. It’s why private equity never has a face to lay the blame on
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Old 19th Nov 2020, 06:49
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Originally Posted by Servo View Post
Did they stick to their guns regarding pay and conditions?
I think he clearly stated that they brought knives....
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