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Old 8th Jul 2020, 08:54
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Clearance to land in NSW to be dependent on presence of Covid test team

Following the release of passengers yesterday in Sydney before Covid tests were performed new rules will be introduced.

ABC News 24 report that flights will not be permitted to land until Covid testing teams are positioned and ready at the gate.

Yesterday the health team were still testing passengers from an earlier flight when passengers from the later flight were released.

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Old 8th Jul 2020, 09:06
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Originally Posted by mickjoebill View Post
ABC News 24 report that flights will not be permitted to land until Covid testing teams are positioned and ready at the gate.
Jeez, better brush up on the mayday call for hitting reserve fuel...
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 09:55
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Haha...wouldn’t believe any ABC newsfeed,.... or any Commercial newsfeed for that matter, getting anything about Aviation correct.
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 10:20
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Originally Posted by Stickshift3000 View Post
Jeez, better brush up on the mayday call for hitting reserve fuel...
Its the media, I dare say, when they say ďcanít landĒ, they actually mean ďopen the doorĒ
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 13:05
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In that case, my landings are getting much smoother... unless the wind catches the door.
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Old 8th Jul 2020, 13:28
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Nothing in the NOTAMs restricting landings.

I suspect it’s a state directive for disembarkation.
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 00:49
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Nothing in the NOTAMs restricting landings.

I suspect itís a state directive for disembarkation.
It is, hold on the taxiway until NSW health is in place at the gate. Airport rep in the terminal reports to the safety car who reports to the tower who clears the aircraft to the gate...what could possibly go wrong.
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 00:54
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It is, hold on the taxiway until NSW health is in place at the gate. Airport rep in the terminal reports to the safety car who reports to the tower who clears the aircraft to the gate...what could possibly go wrong.
Sounds seamless
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 01:36
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I think that is a good plan. If it breaks down at any point it fails safe. The aircraft doesnít disembark until every one is on the same page. It also puts the aircrew in the loop who are probably just happy to be at work logging time.

People need to get a grip and stop whining about small inconveniences and start looking at the big picture.
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I think that is a good plan. If it breaks down at any point it fails safe. The aircraft doesnít disembark until every one is on the same page. It also puts the aircrew in the loop who are probably just happy to be at work logging time.

People need to get a grip and stop whining about small inconveniences and start looking at the big picture.
Agreed, a good plan, Iím not complaining about the procedure but the company or ground crew werenít across it yesterday like ATC or NSW Health. Iím sure itíll be ironed out in the next few days. In the end it worked just fine with NSW health basically running it. And agreed biggles, thrilled to be back in the seat.
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 01:51
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Now I’m jelly, good to hear you are logging some time.
I think it is good to have the ‘crew’ in this loop. A pain in the backside no doubt but that is 2020 in a nutshell but I think as pilots we are generally pretty good at keeping the park brake set until we are good to go and as we see from this incident it leads to a Tempo shitefight if we don’t.
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 02:00
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Now Iím jelly, good to hear you are logging some time.
I think it is good to have the Ďcrewí in this loop. A pain in the backside no doubt but that is 2020 in a nutshell but I think as pilots we are generally pretty good at keeping the park brake set until we are good to go and as we see from this incident it leads to a Tempo shitefight if we donít.
ATC were excellent and understood exactly what needed to occur, like you say, itís important the crew are in the loop, thereís no harm that can come with the aircraft on the taxiway with the park brake set.
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Why do you need the aircraft waiting on the tarmac burning fuel? Just don't connect the airbridge to the aircraft until the health people are in place. The ground agent has to wait at the first set of doors for the health people to accompany them to the airbridge. Really, the best solution is to have someone talk to someone to talk to the Tower to talk to the aircraft to tell them they can continue to the gate? Please can we amend the Constitution so that the States have to submit to the Commonwealth when there is a national health issue.
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Why do you need the aircraft waiting on the tarmac burning fuel? Just don't connect the airbridge to the aircraft until the health people are in place. The ground agent has to wait at the first set of doors for the health people to accompany them to the airbridge. Really, the best solution is to have someone talk to someone to talk to the Tower to talk to the aircraft to tell them they can continue to the gate? Please can we amend the Constitution so that the States have to submit to the Commonwealth when there is a national health issue.
There most likely is a better solution and I dare say weíll end up with something like what youíve suggested, I imagine this was a hastily arranged procedure thatíll be refined over time.
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I agree I think what lookleft said is a better way., I’m sure with some crew feedback it will find a natural solution. The problem might be if the aircraft gets to the gate like it did last night it is not fail safe. Once the beacons are off the ground crew will engage, even if the health staff aren’t there. I’m sure Sydney ground has a bit more spare time then they used too to get involved. I don’t like wasting fuel but a small price to pay at the moment until we normalise the procedure.
The Jetstar CEO fronted the media today and said there was some talk about all the different state requirements being co-ordinated.
Perhaps aircraft onto the gate but beacons stay on until the co-ord is confirmed?
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I agree I think what lookleft said is a better way., Iím sure with some crew feedback it will find a natural solution. The problem might be if the aircraft gets to the gate like it did last night it is not fail safe. Once the beacons are off the ground crew will engage, even if the health staff arenít there. Iím sure Sydney ground has a bit more spare time then they used too to get involved. I donít like wasting fuel but a small price to pay at the moment until we normalise the procedure.
The Jetstar CEO fronted the media today and said there was some talk about all the different state requirements being co-ordinated.
Perhaps aircraft onto the gate but beacons stay on until the co-ord is confirmed?
I think with only very minimal arrivals the parking of the aircraft with the beacon on is a good solution, Iím guessing at the moment that NSW health donít want the aircraft anywhere near the terminal without their people in place, which from reading the article was the issue the other night, multiple arrivals and NSW health teams stretched thin on the ground. Itís going to take some time to weave government protocols into airline ops. I feel for the Jetstar staff, I havenít seen the interview with Gareth Evans but in certain media it feels like theyíve been thrown under the bus somewhat.
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 03:57
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I noticed it a lot in a now previous life, introduce things without talking to the operators. I’m not saying pilots know it all but a quick ask for some input might have pointed out to whoever owns this that here is already a procedure that would dovetail well into this ie, no one approaches the aircraft until the beacon is off and in this Covid world the beacon doesn’t come off until the feds/state are in the aerobridge. I think with that procedure you wouldn’t even need ATC, they just clear you to the gate as per normal and your airline AMCO gives you the nod once you are on the gate and then you turn the beacon off...is simpiles!!
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 05:12
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What has any of this got to do with airline operations.
An airline transports people in this case, from A to B. What happens to the passengers and any arrival procedures are NOT the responsibility of an airline.
Which ever twerp decided to the contrary is an idiot. As are those that have accepted that decision.

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Old 9th Jul 2020, 05:42
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Well ok CC, how should it be done?

Keeping in mind airlines have always had a responsibility to check people have a valid passport and a valid ticket on the way out. Are you suggesting Health staff should open the aircraft doors? Are you suggesting at the cost of many millions we redesign every domestic terminal so it has a customs type area so health staff can do their job there?

I’m keen to hear a better, cheaper way of doing it, or are you just going to whine?
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Old 9th Jul 2020, 06:24
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Oz, the management of these health checkers must get their act together and have them ready and in place to meet the arrivals. If C.I.Q & H in the form of "Border Security" can do it for International arrivals perhaps the health people could learn from them.

If you want to have health department checks before boarding then go your hardest.

I repeat, these are health department checks that they must carry out, the checks are NOT the responsibility of the airline (or its staff).

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