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So with international fights commencing July 1...whose coming back from LWOP? Where’s Normanton these days - very quiet!!
787 is scheduled for daily
SYD - SFO, LAX, DFW, JNB, LHR, HKG*
PER - LHR
BNE - LAX
MEL - LAX
Did we acquire some extra airframes or something??
Let alone crew.......
787 is scheduled for daily
SYD - SFO, LAX, DFW, JNB, LHR, HKG*
PER - LHR
BNE - LAX
MEL - LAX
Did we acquire some extra airframes or something??
Let alone crew.......
So with international fights commencing July 1...whose coming back from LWOP? Where’s Normanton these days - very quiet!!
787 is scheduled for daily
SYD - SFO, LAX, DFW, JNB, LHR, HKG*
PER - LHR
BNE - LAX
MEL - LAX
Did we acquire some extra airframes or something??
Let alone crew.......
787 is scheduled for daily
SYD - SFO, LAX, DFW, JNB, LHR, HKG*
PER - LHR
BNE - LAX
MEL - LAX
Did we acquire some extra airframes or something??
Let alone crew.......
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Short, sweet, sadly spot on IMHO.
Understand the desire for some for things to settle for the "new normal" but anyone who expects Australia to open up to a pox ridden world on July 1st just to make AJ happy is going to be severely disappointed.
Be grateful if Domestic is anything like a "new normal" by then, International you're just dreaming.
Understand the desire for some for things to settle for the "new normal" but anyone who expects Australia to open up to a pox ridden world on July 1st just to make AJ happy is going to be severely disappointed.
Be grateful if Domestic is anything like a "new normal" by then, International you're just dreaming.
Nunc est bibendum
So with international fights commencing July 1...whose coming back from LWOP? Where’s Normanton these days - very quiet!!
787 is scheduled for daily
SYD - SFO, LAX, DFW, JNB, LHR, HKG*
PER - LHR
BNE - LAX
MEL - LAX
Did we acquire some extra airframes or something??
Let alone crew.......
787 is scheduled for daily
SYD - SFO, LAX, DFW, JNB, LHR, HKG*
PER - LHR
BNE - LAX
MEL - LAX
Did we acquire some extra airframes or something??
Let alone crew.......
Crew are going to be the problem... particularly 787 and A330 Captains.
To all the Negative Nancy’s
AJ has a plan - There needs to be a starting point for the ramp up “when” it occurs. Will it be July 1? Who knows. Would we have a vaccine if you asked me back in April 2020..who knows?
Fast forward to today and the vaccine rollout is happening. Faster than anyone imagined. It’ll take time to get the uptake required but it’s only a matter of time.
Open the CBT my fellow colleagues 👍🏼
Do QF have any of the increased MTOW versions of the A332? Or at least any that can have the increases applied. I think it was increased to something like 237K or similar.
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The old saying we all laugh at: " never buy the first of anything...."
You're heralding a new vaccine, development fast tracked and standard protocols diminished if not removed completely....what could possibly go wrong.
AJ can do what he wants - I can only trust that if ScoMo approaching mid year is presented with too many variables for the good of Australia he politely tells AJ to f**k off.
If that happens then you'll have all the returned LWOP/jobkeeper/had a job et al pilots/staff to deal with - but sure AJ has that all under control.
Hope I'm 100% wrong, just can't see the timeline working and reckon you're herding cats.
You're heralding a new vaccine, development fast tracked and standard protocols diminished if not removed completely....what could possibly go wrong.
AJ can do what he wants - I can only trust that if ScoMo approaching mid year is presented with too many variables for the good of Australia he politely tells AJ to f**k off.
If that happens then you'll have all the returned LWOP/jobkeeper/had a job et al pilots/staff to deal with - but sure AJ has that all under control.
Hope I'm 100% wrong, just can't see the timeline working and reckon you're herding cats.
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I say good onya AJ!
These politicians need a good kick up the backside. I mean the whole episode reads like something out of Fawlty Towers.
The only reason, and I mean the only reason, Australia is in a relatively good place is because when things starting going askew they simply closed the borders. It’s akin to amputating an arm to fix an infected finger. Bonehead logic but hey it works.
I’d say AJ has looked at the numbers and said July 1st is a good estimate to start international. Hell he needs revenue to start paying the bills. I don’t blame him. At least by stating this it starts putting the pressure on those who have the responsibility to open the borders ASAP.
These politicians need a good kick up the backside. I mean the whole episode reads like something out of Fawlty Towers.
The only reason, and I mean the only reason, Australia is in a relatively good place is because when things starting going askew they simply closed the borders. It’s akin to amputating an arm to fix an infected finger. Bonehead logic but hey it works.
I’d say AJ has looked at the numbers and said July 1st is a good estimate to start international. Hell he needs revenue to start paying the bills. I don’t blame him. At least by stating this it starts putting the pressure on those who have the responsibility to open the borders ASAP.
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Need to start somewhere may as well be July 1st a new financial year. AJ in my opinion is doing a good job others I’m sure will disagree. but the sh!t sandwich that has been delivered 2020 and 2021 I can’t think of an airline that’s as strong as QF group at the moment. This is his legacy and when he departs 2023 it’s all he will be remembered for, anything prior will be forgotten and he will want QF group to be bigger and better than ever.
Nunc est bibendum
So it’ll be the same in the lead up to 1 July as it is at the moment then?
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No and yes.
I’m not sure any of us within Qantas expect to be flying passengers on 1 July. Whatever reasons they’ve used to decide to start selling tickets, actually flying passengers is likely to be lower on the priority list. Perhaps it’s to gauge demand. Perhaps it’s to get a few $$$ in the bank to assist with the ramp up. It’s certainly easier to tell people ‘the government said no, care to slide your booking’ than get bookings for flying in a month’s time when the borders finally open on bugger all notice.
So it’ll be the same in the lead up to 1 July as it is at the moment then?
I’m not sure any of us within Qantas expect to be flying passengers on 1 July. Whatever reasons they’ve used to decide to start selling tickets, actually flying passengers is likely to be lower on the priority list. Perhaps it’s to gauge demand. Perhaps it’s to get a few $$$ in the bank to assist with the ramp up. It’s certainly easier to tell people ‘the government said no, care to slide your booking’ than get bookings for flying in a month’s time when the borders finally open on bugger all notice.
So it’ll be the same in the lead up to 1 July as it is at the moment then?
Similarly depending on how Australia's travelling economy wise - what's going to be available regards (if any) jobkeeper etc?
If AJ is working on a serious intent and belief that International WILL substantially resume July 1st - time will tell, I'd disagree but hope to hell he's got it right.
If he's just going fishing/floating some ideas - could be a lot of unhappy QF boys and girls left in difficult positions.
But all that is somewhat irrelevant - it won't be AJ's decision whether QF International flies again July 1st it'll be the Feds.
Blame the Feds - first line of attack BUT if AJ's plans were based on blatently over optimistic or downright ludicrous assumptions then even his delightful Irish brogue won't save him from some, maybe many.
Last year when all this was kicking off we didn’t really expect it to last as long as it has, a few weeks at the most. Not many would have believed that the borders would still be firmly shut well into the new year. Now we are looking 6 months ahead and many people are saying that will be too soon.
Realistically, there will probably be some limited international travel permitted subject to conditions and restrictions. AJ can’t afford to wait indefinitely for a return to normality, and 1 July isn’t too near or too far. It could easily be brought forward or pushed back a bit subject to changing conditions.
Opening up the whole network for bookings is quite reasonable as tickets for the destinations which still can’t be served in the middle of the year can be refunded or rebooked. Leisure travel is more flexible as Fiji can easily replace Bali for example.
Waiting for things to get back to near normal before starting up again will cost the airline significantly as pax will have already purchased tickets on airlines which have maintained services, such as SQ and QR, instead.
Realistically, there will probably be some limited international travel permitted subject to conditions and restrictions. AJ can’t afford to wait indefinitely for a return to normality, and 1 July isn’t too near or too far. It could easily be brought forward or pushed back a bit subject to changing conditions.
Opening up the whole network for bookings is quite reasonable as tickets for the destinations which still can’t be served in the middle of the year can be refunded or rebooked. Leisure travel is more flexible as Fiji can easily replace Bali for example.
Waiting for things to get back to near normal before starting up again will cost the airline significantly as pax will have already purchased tickets on airlines which have maintained services, such as SQ and QR, instead.
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It's not just the aviation and tourism sectors that are being smashed due to the border closures, its the universities due lack of international students and fees, farmers not getting workers, just to name a few.
The pressure to open up once the elderly, the vulnerable and essential workers are vaccinated will be to overwhelming from the Business sector for the Government to ignore and could be politically damaging come election time if it is to coincide with their inability to continue to keep things locked up.
The pressure to open up once the elderly, the vulnerable and essential workers are vaccinated will be to overwhelming from the Business sector for the Government to ignore and could be politically damaging come election time if it is to coincide with their inability to continue to keep things locked up.
Also keep in mind a 789 seats 236. AJ has pointed out as long as the flight makes one dollar they’ll do it. Now come July when a 789 does SYD-LAX it won’t take too many seats to make that dollar.
I can’t see it being too difficult to achieving that.
I can’t see it being too difficult to achieving that.
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There are enough crew current(ish) on the A330 fleet that for it to ramp up to even 60% ops wouldn’t take much additional training at all. The 787 would be a bit different but they’ll have enough information in April to know whether or not they need to be ramping up towards 10%, 30%, or 50%.
I suspect that most of us would be able to ‘make do’ on 50% and/or 50% is going to be close to more than what we were making full time on other jobs. Either way, depending on how the ramp up looks, I suspect there will be enough lead time and information available for people to decide if they want to be part of the 50% of the flying, or whether they want to hold off for a bit longer and be assured that the flying will be there to replace their other jobs.
I suspect that most of us would be able to ‘make do’ on 50% and/or 50% is going to be close to more than what we were making full time on other jobs. Either way, depending on how the ramp up looks, I suspect there will be enough lead time and information available for people to decide if they want to be part of the 50% of the flying, or whether they want to hold off for a bit longer and be assured that the flying will be there to replace their other jobs.
How’s the 787 SYD base looking??
with the rumour 330 taking the BNE-LAX, I sense some considerable time in the lounge paxing up and down the east coast for the BNE base.
Just as it was pre COVID 😆
with the rumour 330 taking the BNE-LAX, I sense some considerable time in the lounge paxing up and down the east coast for the BNE base.
Just as it was pre COVID 😆
How’s the 787 SYD base looking??