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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: melbourne
Posts: 415
Originally Posted by midas
Yes it is essential work. The Aircraft in storage require various checks.
The storage checks required depending on type are 3, 4, 7, 10, 14, 30, 60, 90 and 180 Day checks. Each higher level check requires the lower level checks to be completed as well in most situations.
There is more work now for the Line Stations than there was with all aircraft flying with not enough people on shift. With some aircraft requiring Return to Service checks as well which has an enormous amount of work.
This is the argument from the ALAEA. There has always been useful work for LAME’s.
The storage checks required depending on type are 3, 4, 7, 10, 14, 30, 60, 90 and 180 Day checks. Each higher level check requires the lower level checks to be completed as well in most situations.
There is more work now for the Line Stations than there was with all aircraft flying with not enough people on shift. With some aircraft requiring Return to Service checks as well which has an enormous amount of work.
This is the argument from the ALAEA. There has always been useful work for LAME’s.
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: australia
Age: 71
Posts: 905
Is this the game plan ?
The great reset ?
Bankruptcy ,massive restructuring and downsizing to suit the post Covid economy ,renegotiation of all contracts with none of the redundancy costs borne due to the impoverished trading conditions ?
Senior management bonus’ all ‘round !
The great reset ?
Bankruptcy ,massive restructuring and downsizing to suit the post Covid economy ,renegotiation of all contracts with none of the redundancy costs borne due to the impoverished trading conditions ?
Senior management bonus’ all ‘round !
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: The World
Posts: 1,217
Originally Posted by blow.n.gasket
Is this the game plan ?
The great reset ?
Bankruptcy ,massive restructuring and downsizing to suit the post Covid economy ,renegotiation of all contracts with none of the redundancy costs borne due to the impoverished trading conditions ?
Senior management bonus’ all ‘round !
The great reset ?
Bankruptcy ,massive restructuring and downsizing to suit the post Covid economy ,renegotiation of all contracts with none of the redundancy costs borne due to the impoverished trading conditions ?
Senior management bonus’ all ‘round !
A company can downsize and restructure without calling in administrators. They aren’t going to exhaust their finances just so they can save a bit of money on pilot EBAs.
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: SYD
Posts: 51
Looks like the ALAEA lost this one
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...neers/12734666
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...neers/12734666
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: The World
Posts: 1,217
Direct from the judgement
This, to an albeit untrained legal eye, would suggest that ending of border closures alone would not be sufficient to end stand downs. A return to near normal passenger numbers and an ending of the pandemic would have to happen as well.
19. By mid-March 2020, as a result of:
(i) the collapse in passenger travel;
(ii) measures implemented domestically and internationally to restrict movement;
(iii) the increasing concern that the effects of the COVID-19 pandemic would be sustained; and
(iv) uncertainty as to how long the effects of the COVID-19 pandemic would last,
(i) the collapse in passenger travel;
(ii) measures implemented domestically and internationally to restrict movement;
(iii) the increasing concern that the effects of the COVID-19 pandemic would be sustained; and
(iv) uncertainty as to how long the effects of the COVID-19 pandemic would last,
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: NDB
Age: 50
Posts: 148
Originally Posted by dr dre
Direct from the judgement
This, to an albeit untrained legal eye, would suggest that ending of border closures alone would not be sufficient to end stand downs. A return to near normal passenger numbers and an ending of the pandemic would have to happen as well.
This, to an albeit untrained legal eye, would suggest that ending of border closures alone would not be sufficient to end stand downs. A return to near normal passenger numbers and an ending of the pandemic would have to happen as well.
https://coronavirus.fairwork.gov.au/...own-directions
Then it will fall back on negotiated EA's and any variations.
I highlight this section from this act.
When a directions ends
A qualifying employer could give an eligible employee a JobKeeper enabling stand down direction from 9 April 2020 (when the JobKeeper provisions started). A JobKeeper enabling stand down direction remains in effect until the first of the following:- the employer stops being a qualifying employer
- the employee subject who is stood down by the direction stops being an eligible employee
- it is withdrawn, revoked or replaced (including by the Fair Work Commission, or
- the direction stops applying on 29 March 2021.
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 382
Here’s a question for the legal eagles.
Say SYD-LAX opens up sometime in the future. It will at some stage.
Most probably QF will use the 787.
The same scenario for LHR. At some stage.
Does that give QF the right to still stand down 380 crew?
It’s a most likely scenario sometime in the future.
Say SYD-LAX opens up sometime in the future. It will at some stage.
Most probably QF will use the 787.
The same scenario for LHR. At some stage.
Does that give QF the right to still stand down 380 crew?
It’s a most likely scenario sometime in the future.
Nunc est bibendum
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 5,397
Whilst ever demand is reduced as a result of Covid I suspect that Qantas is going to be able to mount an argument that the grounding of the A380 is beyond their control. I could see that line of argument holding up for at least 12 months after border restrictions are eased. Ultimately I think a judge is going to be ruling on this one.
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 111
And it will be a question for the genuine legal eagles unless Qantas decide to magnanimously stand-up all pilots at that time.
I suspect it will be taken to court to determine if Qantas has any "…..other limitation of work for which the Company cannot be held responsible,….".
We can speculate all we like, but it almost certainly will come down to a decision by an independent adjudicator.
I suspect it will be taken to court to determine if Qantas has any "…..other limitation of work for which the Company cannot be held responsible,….".
We can speculate all we like, but it almost certainly will come down to a decision by an independent adjudicator.
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: australia
Age: 71
Posts: 905
Has the makings of a most interesting game of musical chairs , doesn’t it !
Too many players and not enough chairs yet the music has already stopped yet nobody can dash for an empty chair because Alan has invoked a new rule “ play statues “ , until ?????
Too many players and not enough chairs yet the music has already stopped yet nobody can dash for an empty chair because Alan has invoked a new rule “ play statues “ , until ?????
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Land of Oz
Posts: 186
There will be no RIN, not for a very long time.
Sorry, I missed a few words out there.
“COVID.... finances.... haven’t recovered adequately yet” all lines the execs will use to argue that a RIN will send the company broke.
Its not happening. Not for a very, very long time.
Sorry, I missed a few words out there.
“COVID.... finances.... haven’t recovered adequately yet” all lines the execs will use to argue that a RIN will send the company broke.
Its not happening. Not for a very, very long time.
