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Old 29th Jul 2020, 07:11
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Originally Posted by unobtanium View Post
717 took over 737 several slots into canberra and adelaide. Their eagerness to get rid of bag chucker's proofs they are gearing up for less ground handing requirements using a320 ULD system. Melbourne workshops have been churning out a million of them.
i don’t disagree in that regard mate, that free’d up the 737 for other stuff. What I’m saying is, an increase in 320 at the same time the 737 is decreasing, if the product was identical, is a different scenario to taking over some routes when the 737 is also holding steady/expanding.
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 07:15
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Originally Posted by unobtanium View Post
717 took over 737 several slots into canberra and adelaide. Their eagerness to get rid of bag chucker's proofs they are gearing up for less ground handing requirements using a320 ULD system. Melbourne workshops have been churning out a million of them.
If you are reffering to Network A320's, they don't use ULD's
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 07:37
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
You know Qantas never wanted Qantas domestic, it was imposed upon them with the merger of australian airlines. It's the very reason jetstar was created to absorb what was then australian airlines and sell it off as its own entity. When Air New Zealand bought into Ansett, there was a change in thinking.
I wouldn't rule out a return to that strategy in some form post covid.
I doubt it. With int'l ops stuffed for years to come, domestic operations will be the only thing getting off the deck for quite a while and without domestic, QF will just be a loyalty business
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 11:32
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
You know Qantas never wanted Qantas domestic, it was imposed upon them with the merger of australian airlines. It's the very reason jetstar was created to absorb what was then australian airlines and sell it off as its own entity. When Air New Zealand bought into Ansett, there was a change in thinking.
I wouldn't rule out a return to that strategy in some form post covid.
That is absolute garbage.
At the time the then CEO of QF spent a lot of time pursuing the merger.
He was rewarded with the success that Keating delivered.
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 12:27
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Originally Posted by JamieMaree View Post
That is absolute garbage.
At the time the then CEO of QF spent a lot of time pursuing the merger.
He was rewarded with the success that Keating delivered.
You are correct Qantas got TAA and Ansett got to fly overseas that was the trade off.
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 12:59
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE View Post
These JQ hand me downs are younger than plenty of QFs 737s (2004/5 builds).


I think there’s a chance they’ll start flying them on thin interstate routes (PER-ADL/CNS/DRW/CBR) especially during their down time on the weekends and it will grow from there.
Dude the BS here is thick : Pre CV
PER ADL 5 days of the week mostly full and drop off a touch on weekend
PER CNS as you know is a JQ route and is often FULL both ways , worthy of a Mainline service but it wouldn't be a return like the JQ crew battle through.
PER DRW pick your season , mostly full both ways. Have you ever looked?
PER CBR 150s each way and its the pollie express.

Keep trying?
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 13:43
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Originally Posted by ShandywithSugar View Post
Dude the BS here is thick : Pre CV
PER ADL 5 days of the week mostly full and drop off a touch on weekend
PER CNS as you know is a JQ route and is often FULL both ways , worthy of a Mainline service but it wouldn't be a return like the JQ crew battle through.
PER DRW pick your season , mostly full both ways. Have you ever looked?
PER CBR 150s each way and its the pollie express.

Keep trying?
PER-CNS is an overnight in Perth for JQ, not a return.

I don’t understand the rest of your point. I think you might be confusing my use of the word ‘thin’. I meant this in the sense that they’re low frequency, not the performance of the routes. They could be operated by Network for almost half the crew cost.

Check out Network’s 25 page Pilot EBA (specifically the overtime rate) if you want to see why QF management would be motivated to make such a move.



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Old 29th Jul 2020, 21:02
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It’s clear AJ is reducing QF wages bill whilst he can “never waste a good crisis”, grow network do it for a quarter of the cost and now using Covid to reduce those expensive 73 drivers. End of the day they will dress Network 320s to QF standards and the punter will not know the difference. It’s happening right before our very eyes. Next question is those NEOs that were destined for JQ have they been re routed to Network
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 21:43
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I’m hearing that Qantas is been underwhelmed for VR by both pilots and cabin crew. Anyone else confirm?
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 22:47
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Originally Posted by dragon man View Post
I’m hearing that Qantas is been underwhelmed for VR by both pilots and cabin crew. Anyone else confirm?
How many applications did they get?
How many do they want?
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 22:51
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Originally Posted by dragon man View Post
I’m hearing that Qantas is been underwhelmed for VR by both pilots and cabin crew. Anyone else confirm?
I have no idea of the actual numbers but I doubt they will be underwhelmed from the Pilot ranks. Many of my colleagues are showing very definite interest.
Remember too, the actual estimate was only available last Thursday and many, like me, are seeking professional advice on the likely scenario if they accept or reject the offer. Anyone approaching or over 60 on the A380 or 744, would probably be leaning towards acceptance. They don't have long though; it closes in just over a week.

How many do they want? 190 from Qantas Longhaul.
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 22:55
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Originally Posted by Ragnor View Post
It’s clear AJ is reducing QF wages bill whilst he can “never waste a good crisis”, grow network do it for a quarter of the cost and now using Covid to reduce those expensive 73 drivers. End of the day they will dress Network 320s to QF standards and the punter will not know the difference. It’s happening right before our very eyes. Next question is those NEOs that were destined for JQ have they been re routed to Network
Expensive 737 drivers, right. You have no idea
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 23:42
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Nope no idea. Get a network Captain dressed up in a QF uniform in a QLink painted 320 for $180k ish per year or a 737 QF Captain for about $300k ish. I definitely have no idea. I bet the thought is running through their minds!
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Old 29th Jul 2020, 23:50
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You muppet. The highest pay scale 737 Captain will make about $204,000/yr for the foreseeable future. Parse out what a 55 hour divisor gets you, because that’s what the hours will be for what should be obvious reasons.
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 00:04
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus View Post
You muppet. The highest pay scale 737 Captain will make about $204,000/yr for the foreseeable future. Parse out what a 55 hour divisor gets you, because that’s what the hours will be for what should be obvious reasons.
Or you can pay a Network capt $180k a year for 65 hours a month, then $120 an hour for each hour over 65.

Thats 80 hrs a month for less than $200k a year. How much are you paying a QF 737 skipper to fly those hours?

The overtime rate is really where the pay structure of QF mainline, JQ and Network diverges.
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 00:16
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Remember the rumours that Jetconnect was going to fly the mainline 787?
Remember the rumours that JQ was going to operate Qantas painted aeroplanes? (You were probably in primary school for this one ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE given that one was roughly 2007).

People have been foreshadowing the demise of mainline since Qantas bought Impulse in 2002 and then launched JQ in 2004. Whilst some of the moves by management have seen mainline careers slow and/or stagnate, the reality is the place is still going and domestic is still the major driver behind group profit- far more so than QLink jet operations.

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Old 30th Jul 2020, 00:20
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Originally Posted by Keg View Post
Remember the rumours that Jetconnect was going to fly the mainline 787?
Remember the rumours that JQ was going to operate Qantas painted aeroplanes? (You were probably in primary school for this one ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE given that one was roughly 2007).

People have been foreshadowing the demise of mainline since Qantas bought Impulse in 2002 and then launched JQ in 2004. Whilst some of the moves by management have seen mainline careers slow and/or stagnate, the reality is the place is still going and domestic is still the major driver behind group profit- far more so than QLink jet operations.
high school actually keg

but yes I get your point, I’ve heard my share of rumours that were no where near ever coming true. I am in no way saying ‘this is a certainty of happening’ but with the increase of airframes and the known ambitions of the Network COO, it’s a possibility not worth ruling out.
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Old 30th Jul 2020, 00:39
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You must be going crazy in lockdown ecam actions. 45 replies and counting ... commenting on a thread about VR or as you were in high school could a redundancy touch you?

Either way there was no reason to close the JQ Perth base.It's no different to the OOL 787 base or any international operating base..

The silence after the initial announcement was staggering. It's a ready made solution to cover the Bain expulsion of VARA with absolute no regard for welfare of those concerned in the Perth base.

On those thin routes you mentioned above , daily doesn't make it thin.Its not your MEL OOL but they're different markets.

Spruking doom isn't helping anyone.

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Old 30th Jul 2020, 01:01
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Originally Posted by GoldCoastTobacconist View Post
You must be going crazy in lockdown ecam actions. 45 replies and counting ... commenting on a thread about VR or as you were in high school could a redundancy touch you?

Either way there was no reason to close the JQ Perth base.It's no different to the OOL 787 base or any international operating base..

The silence after the initial announcement was staggering. It's a ready made solution to cover the Bain expulsion of VARA with absolute no regard for welfare of those concerned in the Perth base.

On those thin routes you mentioned above , daily doesn't make it thin.Its not your MEL OOL but they're different markets.

Spruking doom isn't helping anyone.
hahaha yes I am

Sorry for spruking doom, my view is hypothetical only.

I'll curtail my posting in the interests of not pushing my opinion which is essentially without any factual basis.

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Old 30th Jul 2020, 01:01
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JQ operated the 787 for years before some were delivered to QF, and in the end QF pilots flew them on pay rates much higher than JQ, despite the predictions by JQ pilots that they would fly them. I can remember when JQ pilots were telling QF pilots they would never get another A330 because “we’re cheaper”. Must have grated on the JQ blokes when brand new QF A332’s taxied past with QF pilots in them, again earning significantly more dough than they were. I understand the point the youngsters are making, but we’ve been here many times before, and this time will be no different.
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