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Old 12th Jul 2020, 12:36
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He is saying the number of pilots in those age brackets listed is inclusive of both SH and LH pilots.
The above doesn’t make sense; there are no short haul pilots in long haul.

Except for that cohort of pilots who fall into the “early retirement” category, every other pilot in long haul is eligible for VR. Says so in the HoBO’s email last Friday.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 12:43
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Emmit, there is a graph showing the number of pilots in QF who turn 65, year by year. Its all of us, not SH or LH, but everyone employed in QF mainline. Doesn't matter if you're in SH or LH you can still turn 65. That is the chart he is referring to. So he is taking 20% out of the numbers to try and reflect an accurate number that may be in SH who will turn 65, as SH pilots are not eligible to take thus round of VR.

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Old 12th Jul 2020, 13:00
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This isn’t about that group who will turn 65 on or before 01/07/2022. I’m happy to disregard the quoted 20%, Fujiroll’s premise that there’s short haul pilots in long haul (and therefore ineligible for VR) is incorrect.
I say again, there are no short haul pilots in long haul.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 13:12
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Originally Posted by Emmit Stussy View Post
This isnít about that group who will turn 65 on or before 01/07/2022. Iím happy to disregard the quoted 20%, Fujirollís premise that thereís short haul pilots in long haul (and therefore ineligible for VR) is incorrect.
I say again, there are no short haul pilots in long haul.
I thought you were responding to Troo?
Nobody is suggesting SH pilots are in LH. I think you've missed the point. Are you in QF and a member of AIPA? Have you seen the chart?
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 14:08
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Originally Posted by Emmit Stussy View Post
Fujirollís premise that thereís short haul pilots in long haul (and therefore ineligible for VR) is incorrect.
I say again, there are no short haul pilots in long haul.
No. His premise was that 20% of the numbers he was quoting may be in SH and are therefore ineligible for VR.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 21:51
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That was exactly the road I was going down.

Emmit - Please donít get the two confused. Iím not saying there are SH pilots in LH at all. The age graph includes both and therefore to get somewhat accurate figures I used an assumption that there would be approx 20% SH in the above 60 category.

Again itís not perfect as you canít know exactly BUT 20 seems reasonable and gives us all a ballpark to work towards.


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Old 12th Jul 2020, 22:57
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Looking ahead, let's say there is a solid uptake of ER and VR. Also likely is that every LH SO hired since late 2016 "volunteers" for LWOP out of fear of CR, not wanting the "pass-over" plague to rise to their number.
Company is going to be pretty happy with the result.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 23:09
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Looking ahead, let's say there is a solid uptake of ER and VR. Also likely is that every LH SO hired since late 2016 "volunteers" for LWOP out of fear of CR, not wanting the "pass-over" plague to rise to their number.
Company is going to be pretty happy with the result.
Then QF will be short if they want to reactivate the 380ís.
Then the cascade affect with training people up.
Sound silly?
Last VR they were recruiting well within two years!
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 23:21
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I guess my question is, when every SO on the 330/787 applies for LWOP (and I suspect it would be a gamble not to ) will they approve them all even if they get a solid VR/ER subscription?
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 23:26
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Originally Posted by Koizi View Post
I guess my question is, when every SO on the 330/787 applies for LWOP (and I suspect it would be a gamble not to ) will they approve them all even if they get a solid VR/ER subscription?
How many LWOPs equal 1 CR?

Thats the question, I think. The company is trying to save money. If enough take LWOP then I feel CR will not be necessary.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 23:40
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How many LWOPs equal 1 CR?

Thats the question, I think. The company is trying to save money. If enough take LWOP then I feel CR will not be necessary.
Why run CR? If they don't get enough numbers for VR and LWOP, just run another EOI for LWOP. The company approves LWOP, so they can just ask for another round of LWOP with a new deadline, if they really wanted to avoid CR and having the redundancy by haul or straight seniority case tested.
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 00:34
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Originally Posted by Koizi View Post
I guess my question is, when every SO on the 330/787 applies for LWOP (and I suspect it would be a gamble not to ) will they approve them all even if they get a solid VR/ER subscription?
Iím sure they would take up every LWOP application they are given. Itís only a 4 week activation to get them back, isnít it? Plus they could heavy crew long sectors if they got caught with their pants down
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 01:39
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Surely if enough pilots were to take LWOP there’d be no need for VR or CR as effectively the LWOP pilots aren’t a cash drain to the business anymore? Or am I missing something?
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 01:52
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Iím sure they would take up every LWOP application they are given. Itís only a 4 week activation to get them back, isnít it? Plus they could heavy crew long sectors if they got caught with their pants down
Itís only on special lwop that they can recall you with 4 weeks notice. I donít know who will actually take that up considering youíre still on the chopping block whereas youíre not on normal lwop.
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 02:24
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Last VR they were recruiting well within two years!
20 months! And they were slow off the mark and should have been recruiting earlier than that!

Koizi et al, sit on your hands. Your accrued leave is less than 12% of your total income. For a S/O with less than three years in that’s about $15K per annum? 200 S/Os taking LWOP saves $3 million. That’s a rounding error!
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 07:44
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Originally Posted by Koizi View Post
I guess my question is, when every SO on the 330/787 applies for LWOP (and I suspect it would be a gamble not to ) will they approve them all even if they get a solid VR/ER subscription?
Iíd argue theyíd be crazy to take LWOP unless they have another job. Scaring them into it is a cunning plan, but I donít think they need to do that to avoid CR.

As I said before, I doubt anyone will be made CR.
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 09:07
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People are talking about the bottom few hundred going on LWOP and most probably they will.
I agree that if the flying pick up they can heavy crew until they come back.
Has anyone thought, I bet QF hasnít, about the significant loss of senior Captains on the A380?
Chances are about half will go in the next few months. A good deal of the 400 guys and gals as well.
Also a sizeable chunk of A330 and a handful of 787 Captains.
Meanwhile we still have the same number of airframes hibernating. Ok, minus the 400.
But what if the flying really picks up? A vaccine comes along? There are 100-200 in the pipeline.
Talk about being caught with your pants down!
How long to train up a A380 Captain and all the residual slots?
Sound silly? Just as silly as suggesting in January that the whole aviation industry would be shutdown by March?
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 09:12
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Originally Posted by Wingspar View Post
People are talking about the bottom few hundred going on LWOP and most probably they will.
I agree that if the flying pick up they can heavy crew until they come back.
Has anyone thought, I bet QF hasnít, about the significant loss of senior Captains on the A380?
Chances are about half will go in the next few months. A good deal of the 400 guys and gals as well.
Also a sizeable chunk of A330 and a handful of 787 Captains.
Meanwhile we still have the same number of airframes hibernating. Ok, minus the 400.
But what if the flying really picks up? A vaccine comes along? There are 100-200 in the pipeline.
Talk about being caught with your pants down!
How long to train up a A380 Captain and all the residual slots?
Sound silly? Just as silly as suggesting in January that the whole aviation industry would be shutdown by March?
you reckon the A380 is coming back?
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 09:19
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you reckon the A380 is coming back?
I certainly don't. Otherwise they would be parked in Alice Springs with the Singapore Airlines and Scoot aircraft. They are going to the US, in my opinion because in three years time it will be expensive to find A380 ferry crew and QF will no longer have the capability to ferry them overseas themselves.


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Old 13th Jul 2020, 09:44
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I certainly don't. Otherwise they would be parked in Alice Springs with the Singapore
Apparently the humidity is much less in Arizona compared to Alice Springs.

Plus A380 engineers are readily available nearby in LA for ongoing maintenance

That is what Qantas said anyway.
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