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Qantas pauses Boeing 787, Airbus A321neoLR deliveries

Old 11th May 2020, 00:26
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Qantas pauses Boeing 787, Airbus A321neoLR deliveries

No new Airbus or Boeing jets this year, at least, says Qantas.

Have to say, I agree with this. There's no need for new jets right now. The 787s were to help replace and retire the 747s, but the 747s are done and dusted because there's just no call for them now, loads will be way down even when international travel resumes. And JQ can also get along fine as is.

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Old 11th May 2020, 00:49
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Probably a good time right now to convert those old 321s into Freighters ASAP.

The neo was way behind anyway was not concrete even arriving this side of Xmas.
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Old 11th May 2020, 01:32
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With the amount of cargo moving worldwide and in Aus yes the 321F makes sense. Therefore it won’t happen.

Have a scroll through insta, FB, linked the amount of belly and cabin cargo getting around is insane.

No it won’t last forever but then again nor will the current old freighters, the 321F could be around for the next 20 years.
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Old 11th May 2020, 03:16
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo View Post
Probably a good time right now to convert those old 321s into Freighters ASAP.

The neo was way behind anyway was not concrete even arriving this side of Xmas.
Perfect time. The 737 classics are not getting any younger and the 9g barrier issue isnít going away anytime soon.
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Old 11th May 2020, 04:22
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321F will take an extra 10t. Or just over 50% more than the EFA 73s.

I have heard of minor setbacks with the original prototype which was expected as I donít think anyone would expect smooth sailing cutting into 20+ year old French built aircraft.

The leasing companies might be a bit more flexible going forward in terms of cutting into mid 20** machines.

I would be nervous cutting into Z and Y.
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Old 11th May 2020, 05:41
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They might get the A321F's but what happened to the training? Did any crew get through already or did it all stop? They may need JQ crews to operate them.
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Old 11th May 2020, 12:08
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The JQ CP has already moved all his JQ mates in.
Surely not ! The same mates who also setup 3K in Singapore and the most recent jewel Network A320. They'll retire soon ...
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Old 11th May 2020, 21:35
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Surely not ! The same mates who also setup 3K in Singapore and the most recent jewel Network A320. They'll retire soon ...
Good, I hope they make enough bank to retire, helps me move up.
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Old 11th May 2020, 22:21
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Good, I hope they make enough bank to retire, helps me move up.
That's not how greed works for boomers

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Old 15th May 2020, 03:29
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Done & Dusted

The A380 are done & dusted - should send back to Airbus as a credit on A350's - The time of the A380 is over - the Elephant Gas Guzzling Slug needs to go!
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Old 15th May 2020, 03:36
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Originally Posted by Goddamnslacker View Post
The A380 are done & dusted - should send back to Airbus as a credit on A350's - The time of the A380 is over - the Elephant Gas Guzzling Slug needs to go!
Why on earth would Airbus want the 380s back!?
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Old 15th May 2020, 04:07
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Originally Posted by Goddamnslacker View Post
The A380 are done & dusted - should send back to Airbus as a credit on A350's - The time of the A380 is over - the Elephant Gas Guzzling Slug needs to go!
Theres a lot of planes done in the passenger market, A380's and 747's are confirmed done. A330's are being withdrawn in large numbers. 777's could be going that way as well with I think it was delta announcing their retirement from their fleet last few days.
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Old 15th May 2020, 08:18
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Of course Airbus will take them back as a trade - in on A350's otherwise no one will buy Airbus.....The A380 was a Lemon from the start - over weight, slow, high fuel burn & an Airport nightmare to have a special aerobridge....
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Old 15th May 2020, 13:06
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Originally Posted by Goddamnslacker View Post
Of course Airbus will take them back as a trade - in on A350's otherwise no one will buy Airbus.....The A380 was a Lemon from the start - over weight, slow, high fuel burn & an Airport nightmare to have a special aerobridge....
In addition to my last - that Airbus Ďorderí could now just as easily turn into a Boeing order over the next couple years...
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Old 15th May 2020, 13:11
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There's no need for new jets right now.
some next level detective work there mate, you got your finger on that pulse.
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The airlines are looking at the best way to resume flying as the borders come down and demand slowly picks up, management are now looking at which fleets (& quantity) they'll prepare for re-entry into service. Obviously the smaller, most efficient aircraft will be brought back first in the domestic operation but when international flights resume, the fuel efficient types such as the B787 & A350 stand out for long range ops with the A330 getting a look in for medium range pax/freight ops.

B777's have previously been considered quite fuel efficient but, with Delta, Air NZ & others retiring B777's permanently, that's a strong indicator that less efficient (& larger) types such as the A380 & B747 are TOAST. I wonder if Lil Napoleon ever regrets sacking his former Fleet Strategy Manager (EM) as his analysis was that the A380's should have been disposed of as quickly as possible without any more money being spent on them. If that plan had been actioned, then the huge amount of money spent on the refurbishment of the A380 upper decks (6) would not have been wasted.

The large surplus of B777's means that the new management of Virgin will not get much money for the four B773's that are owned by the airline, especially with the small freight doors.

My personal view is that the US, UK and a number of other countries have done such a poor job of managing the Virus that International flying will be very slow recovering with minimal international demand through the rest of 2020 - airlines will have to focus on domestic & neighbouring international destinations to restore their base market.

We have a long way to go yet.

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Old 22nd May 2020, 08:42
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The Triples that are being mainly being retired etc are the -200ER/LR models it seems. -300ER is still the weapon pax and most certainly freight wise.

350/777 was always going to be the future 2030 and beyond and that does not appear to be changing.

Virginís debt is so high, a couple hundred mill loss on cheaply sold 777s, you wonít even know. Itís chicken feed. Blame past management and move on.
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