How long before Qantas goes into VA

[Ragnor]

Originally Posted by ozbiggles

I’m sure the ACCC is taking notes....if the ACCC will have a role in a post COVIDS world remains to be seen.
I don’t see it as much more than the normal 2 seats per aircraft and 10x times the price to get back old trick.

So the Virgin brigade start a campaign that flights will be to expensive if the Gov don’t step in and save it from collapsing and keep the air fair. Soon as AJ says $19 flights still cheap all of a sudden the ACCC have to be taking notes. Talk about wanting it both ways.

[Ragnor]

Originally Posted by ExtraShot

Consider the Jetstar 11 787s get a repaint with a Roo on the tail, the 5 747s and 6 (possibly more) of the 380s get retired, and then crews directed to the now enlarged 787 fleet, which would have a mix of -8 and -9 versions going forward, avoiding a lot of expensive displacement in a RIN.

The result is a super efficient twin engine wide body fleet to replace the 4 engine money guzzlers, with two sub types to use in various roles as demanded by capacity, which is much more suited to the market predictions going into the next two years.

Not a great thought for those in JQ, but as much as I don’t see full A380s flying around any time soon, I don’t see 300 plus punters in one hit from multiple Capital cities heading to Bali, Vietnam, Hawaii in 787s either.

Hopefully it just a pointless brain fart and we find a way out this mess without anyone losing out.

I very much doubt it, those 78s are useless to QF, talking millions to get a nice bed and refurbish them to QF standards. Also, as long as international crews are stood down what cost is it to QF and JQ? Very minimal I think just acquiring AL and sick days

[SecretAngel]

Originally Posted by sundaun

All Joyce is doing is terrifying potential.bidders for the Virgin going concern. He should be prosecuted downstream for these tactics..

If potential bidders couldn't figure out for themselves that a massively over capacity market coming out of COVID would mean low airfares as both QF and VA try to reduce cash burn, by filling every possible seat, then they don't know enough about airline economics to be bidding.

Similarly, if Joyce pointing out that obvious fact scares them, then they lack the balls to be in business.

What Joyce achieves by talking up $19 fares is getting people to start even thinking about flying again, both by pointing out it will be affordable even in the middle of a recession, and by getting people to want to book fast so they don't miss great fares. At a time like this, airlines (and other businesses) need to find ways to stop people focusing on the health and economic trainwreck, and start thinking about returning to a semi normal life. If dirt cheap airfares help with that (and help get me back in a job...) then I'm all for it.

[ozbiggles]

Ragnor, I know what he is doing....you know what he is doing. If he sells tickets from A to B and back again at $19 for months on end then I will celebrate too....but that’s not what is going to be on offer is it. But I wouldn’t worry what effect VA is or is not going to have on your job, that is all down to your boss and how he fits a square peg into a round hole that is far to big for the hole in the first place now. My interest comes from being old enough to remember how much it used to cost to fly from BNE to MEL and if there is no competition there won’t be any need for fantasy fares.

[ExtraShot]

Originally Posted by Ragnor

I very much doubt it, those 78s are useless to QF, talking millions to get a nice bed and refurbish them to QF standards. Also, as long as international crews are stood down what cost is it to QF and JQ? Very minimal I think just acquiring AL and sick days

Im not so sure they’re ‘useless’ to QF.

They dont absolutely need a crew rest, yet, if ever...

​​​​​​​They don’t absolutely have to be refurbished, yet... ie: just sell a premium economy/economy product for the time being, possibly better suited to the recovery phase anyway.

The cost of re painting the exteriors is a drop in the ocean in the scheme of things.

Eventully the stood down crews will be stood up. In what capacity and at what cost?
I’d say a RIN resulting from a massive fleet reduction at the very top of the seniority tree (380/747), and the displacement and possible redundancies following that could cost A LOT more than 11 new coats of paint.

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