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Old 11th Jan 2021, 05:22
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Spot on Buster. Though probably they've missed your point too.
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Old 11th Jan 2021, 07:22
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Do B787 pilots get paid more than the A320 pilots on the basis that it is a larger aircraft ? That would tend to support the argument for a pay increase.

However, does a B787-10 pilot get more than a B787-8 pilot ? That would tend to counter the argument.

Unfortunately, there is enough commonality between the A320 and A321 for management to claim that itís simply a variation and not a different type. A320 to A330 would be a different matter.

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Old 11th Jan 2021, 08:19
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Delta Captain 5 years. 900hrs

A319/20- $217 usd
A321- $227k usd

763- $233k
764- 265k
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Old 11th Jan 2021, 10:20
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Legacy airline with a strong union, no comparison.
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Old 11th Jan 2021, 10:59
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Originally Posted by krismiler View Post
Legacy airline with a strong union, no comparison.
I don't think it's the amount that is the subject. Pay rates in USA are heavily based on weight and aircraft complexity.
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Old 11th Jan 2021, 12:46
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Pay rates in USA are heavily based on weight and aircraft complexity.
It's probably because of the strong union that they have the extra pay for the slightly larger varients. An extra $32k when going from a B763 to a B764 is a major increase.
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Old 11th Jan 2021, 13:03
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Closer to home, once upon a time the QF SH award saw pilots operating the B734 (approx 140 seats) and B738 (approx 170 seats) for the same pay rates.
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Old 11th Jan 2021, 16:03
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo View Post
Delta Captain 5 years. 900hrs

A319/20- $217 usd
A321- $227k usd

763- $233k
764- 265k
I understand your point with weight/size/seats vs pay but it’s probably worth pointing out, for a fairer picture, that those figures would be the absolute minimum. They don’t take into account all the additional pay due to “soft pay” clauses in the DAL contract and certainly not the US equivalent of super contributions or for that matter, profit sharing payments. The average PS in 2019 was probably around $30-40k, across the entire pilot group. Not that anyone will be getting PS for a long time to come.

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Old 11th Jan 2021, 20:00
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Also, there is no way on earth a Delta 767 Capt will fly 900 hours a year.
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Old 11th Jan 2021, 20:30
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Delta Captain 5 years. 900hrs
A319/20- $217 usd
A321- $227k usd
763- $233k
764- 265k
Is that per hour or thousand per annum - not that there's a lot of difference unless they're doing a lot less than 900 hours?
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Old 11th Jan 2021, 20:46
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Originally Posted by C441 View Post
Is that per hour or thousand per annum - not that there's a lot of difference unless they're doing a lot less than 900 hours?
Per year. Excluding all the allowances.

Probably works better for FOs who still have the same sort of pay jump at the lower base.

Delta Pilots have had significant increases over the last few years, more than most others, and at a rate that AJ would go into cardiac arrest if he had a glance at some of the increases.

But yes, itís a fairytale down under, forget it.
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Old 11th Jan 2021, 21:44
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Not sure where these figures are coming from as US Airlines generally get paid per flight hour.

The latest pay table for Delta: https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/...elta_air_lines

If you want a US LCC comparison go look at the Spirit figures here:
https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/...pirit_airlines

Even Spirit manage to pay a little bit extra for flying the A321!!
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Old 12th Jan 2021, 00:06
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post

Even Spirit manage to pay a little bit extra for flying the A321!!
Spirit pays more than Jetstar full stop.
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Old 12th Jan 2021, 00:31
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Would anyone really want to work to the US airline system? Your pay and pension (superannuation) can be cut at anytime and the furlough provisions make our current standowns look like a short break. It doesn't really matter what they are getting paid lets look at their conditions under which they work. Personally I would not want to be facing a standown everytime the economy had a hiccup.
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Old 12th Jan 2021, 02:47
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Surely this is the time to focus on getting back to work and seeing the economy and tourism working. It is EBA time!
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Old 12th Jan 2021, 03:00
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EBA time was December 2019.
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Old 12th Jan 2021, 11:50
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Had to laugh watching newly anointed COO fookin Gerry Turner speaking dribble on his latest YouTube clip. He is really starting to look like a small Peter Garrett. But to his credit, always cheery and smiling. I guess I would too if I had Uncle Alan looking after me for all these years making sure I get paid top dollar to do nothing spectacular. It’s good to be the king.
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Old 12th Jan 2021, 19:19
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377 View Post
Had to laugh watching newly anointed COO fookin Gerry Turner speaking dribble on his latest YouTube clip. He is really starting to look like a small Peter Garrett. But to his credit, always cheery and smiling. I guess I would too if I had Uncle Alan looking after me for all these years making sure I get paid top dollar to do nothing spectacular. Itís good to be the king.
Was half expecting him to appear over at Virgin however it appears he has it too good so I guess not.
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Old 12th Jan 2021, 21:26
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Originally Posted by wheels_down View Post
Was half expecting him to appear over at Virgin however it appears he has it too good so I guess not.
Anything is possible. While Alan is at Qantas Gerry will always have a wing to hide beneath. Mates rates runs very strong with Alan. If Alan ever leaves, then Gerrys lifeline will be gone and he would eventually follow Alan to another airline or somebody like Jayne would pick him up. Itís one big club and none of you are invited!
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Old 12th Jan 2021, 21:45
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Will the new COO be any good?
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