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To base 3 singles at Bankstown, out in the open, cost $4,000 last year, $10,000 in the coming year. Obviously this is an attempt to make the books look good prior to selling the airport.
Stupid though, if only 4 out of 10 aircraft remain due to insolvency or moving elsewhere their revenue wont have changed.
... and what have we heard from AOPA? Nothing! The only peep out of them recently is when the VP tried to destroy public confidence in a new country airline which "wont be there in 6 months time".
Stupid though, if only 4 out of 10 aircraft remain due to insolvency or moving elsewhere their revenue wont have changed.
... and what have we heard from AOPA? Nothing! The only peep out of them recently is when the VP tried to destroy public confidence in a new country airline which "wont be there in 6 months time".
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Hot Pete, What happened to AOPA, well they are too busy infighting and censoring every thing their members say to actually get out and do anything for General Aviation.
The Bankstown situation is a repeat of Canberra and have no doubt the rest of the GAAP airports will follow as soon as they see Bankstown get away with the rate hikes.
I expect the mighty AOPA President will get into this and have his say, no doubt disparaging and Snarek another AOPA man will wade in.
But what is AOPA doing about the real issues I hear you say?? like the AFM debacle, AOPA has encouraged the CASA Director to say CASA will not enforce the Law until early 2003 despite the fact that CASA cannot allow any citizen to knowingly break the Law, selective interpretation of executive authority.
How many Air Tourers will be flying after Aug 16th, no Flight Manual you see because theType Certificate holder is out of business. No Chipmunks flying, they don't have a valid Type Certificate.
And just to make something silly really bizarre, most Cessna's don't require an AFM at all, just placards on the airframe in strategic positions, even the twins.This is most of the Australian training fleet. A case of CASA shifting the legal responsibility for compliance to somewhere , anywhere but at their feet.
What a cock up.
The Bankstown situation is a repeat of Canberra and have no doubt the rest of the GAAP airports will follow as soon as they see Bankstown get away with the rate hikes.
I expect the mighty AOPA President will get into this and have his say, no doubt disparaging and Snarek another AOPA man will wade in.
But what is AOPA doing about the real issues I hear you say?? like the AFM debacle, AOPA has encouraged the CASA Director to say CASA will not enforce the Law until early 2003 despite the fact that CASA cannot allow any citizen to knowingly break the Law, selective interpretation of executive authority.
How many Air Tourers will be flying after Aug 16th, no Flight Manual you see because theType Certificate holder is out of business. No Chipmunks flying, they don't have a valid Type Certificate.
And just to make something silly really bizarre, most Cessna's don't require an AFM at all, just placards on the airframe in strategic positions, even the twins.This is most of the Australian training fleet. A case of CASA shifting the legal responsibility for compliance to somewhere , anywhere but at their feet.
What a cock up.
GA means Gone Away
The mantra of user pays and cost recovery. All was fortold over 12 years ago with THE BOSCH REPORT.
The user does have a choice and will vote with their feet, up shop and move but what about all that capital investment in the buildings.
Hey, Islander Jock, interested in a new golden arches at YSBK?
The user does have a choice and will vote with their feet, up shop and move but what about all that capital investment in the buildings.
Hey, Islander Jock, interested in a new golden arches at YSBK?
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The very least I would have expected from the AOPA President would be for him to call upon the Minister, publicly, to over-rule Bankstown Airport's decision on the grounds that increases of this magnitude cannot be justified or sustained. That way, Mr Anderson would have to go on record rather than hide behind the bureaucrats.
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Yep , Macca's needed ASAP @ BK.
Icarus2001
We today whilst sitting @ KFC we thinking about a Maccas at BK ! It would make a few dollars I think !
franchise maybe? specials to pilots?!
You walk into that KFC at BK and can feel the oil in the air! nasty!
We today whilst sitting @ KFC we thinking about a Maccas at BK ! It would make a few dollars I think !
franchise maybe? specials to pilots?!You walk into that KFC at BK and can feel the oil in the air! nasty!
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Hot Pete, Don't hold your breath waiting, the Minister has an attack of the avoids as soon as Aviation gets mentioned, he is suffering from Aviation induced "burn out" and simply can't make decisions.
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Bwahahahahahahahahahahah
AOPA 'ask the Minister'.
A lot of years ago that might have been possible, but AOPA will have to fix some real bad blood before the Minister does as they 'ask'
T, and we can all guess who he is by the similarity between various 'WA' posts on AOPA and the tone of his post here, knows all about pissing the Minister off, hey T
Anyway, wasn't privatisation supported back then, again, ask T
Have anything to do with the latest 'whingeogram' from Munro Mr T ???
That sort of scaremongering is right up your alley hey mate
AOPA 'ask the Minister'.
A lot of years ago that might have been possible, but AOPA will have to fix some real bad blood before the Minister does as they 'ask'
T, and we can all guess who he is by the similarity between various 'WA' posts on AOPA and the tone of his post here, knows all about pissing the Minister off, hey T
Anyway, wasn't privatisation supported back then, again, ask T
Have anything to do with the latest 'whingeogram' from Munro Mr T ???
That sort of scaremongering is right up your alley hey mate
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Well come on then T , tell us all about when you were on the AOPA Board.
Remember, parking here at YBAF TRIPLED, on your own airport YPJT it was very similar. RACWA dumped AOPA because of it and your deal on landing charges. No one at YPJT are members anymore, why??? In my humble opinion, because of you!!!!!
All over the country AOPA members quit because of the policies and infighting. 11,000 to what??? we dont know, they wont say, but I'd guess less than 7500.
And now YOU want AOPA to take action, and you say they are (still??) fighting amongst themselves..... BWAHAHAHAHAHA
Stop it T you are making my belly muscles hurt.
Remember, parking here at YBAF TRIPLED, on your own airport YPJT it was very similar. RACWA dumped AOPA because of it and your deal on landing charges. No one at YPJT are members anymore, why??? In my humble opinion, because of you!!!!!
All over the country AOPA members quit because of the policies and infighting. 11,000 to what??? we dont know, they wont say, but I'd guess less than 7500.
And now YOU want AOPA to take action, and you say they are (still??) fighting amongst themselves..... BWAHAHAHAHAHA
Stop it T you are making my belly muscles hurt.
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After reading this my guess is that our account is right!!!
I was going to call BAL tomorrow and tell them they must have made a mistake...for our twin, the rates have been;
2000- $2,953.21 reasonable and justified.
2001- $3,641.94 well Ok I can absorb that increase.
2002- $7,696.63 I've heard of inflation but thats rediculous!!
Its not so much the hike rather than the unexpected and obviously unplanned extra.
It works out at 111% increase over just the last 12 months, does this seem to be the case with everyone elses??
How are the operators with many aircraft going to be effected?
Its obvious that they will have less parking there..false economy sydrome!!
Think I will still make that call..nothing said,nothing gained?
I was going to call BAL tomorrow and tell them they must have made a mistake...for our twin, the rates have been;
2000- $2,953.21 reasonable and justified.
2001- $3,641.94 well Ok I can absorb that increase.
2002- $7,696.63 I've heard of inflation but thats rediculous!!
Its not so much the hike rather than the unexpected and obviously unplanned extra.
It works out at 111% increase over just the last 12 months, does this seem to be the case with everyone elses??
How are the operators with many aircraft going to be effected?
Its obvious that they will have less parking there..false economy sydrome!!
Think I will still make that call..nothing said,nothing gained?
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The only way you will get anywhere with this is to vote with your feet. Anyone any suggestions to beat BK, CN and HOX prices?
(Please dont say YWBN)
Privatised monopolies - wonderful!
(Please dont say YWBN)
Privatised monopolies - wonderful!
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After several letters to the GM of Bankstown Airport Ltd, the last he did not bother to reply to, I have lodged a complaint with the NSW Dept of Fair Trading. ACCC did not seem interested although I believe AOPA and the Bankstown Airport Chamber are pursuing the matter with them.
To quote from Fair Trading's website on advice to business ...
You cannot "take unfair advantage of vulnerable customers, which is also known as unconscionable conduct. This may occur where customers have no alternative than to do business with you (for example, you may be the only shop in a country town) or where you have a product or service that is in high demand, and you abuse your bargaining power. A common example of this is where customers are pressured to sign a contract that they can't understand and which includes unfair conditions."
In my view BAL are engaging in "unconscionable conduct" since as the operator of the only three licenced GA airfields in the Sydney basin they are a monopoly. To say they are taking advantage of vulnerable customers is an understatement. Their claim that they have not increased charges by 111% but merely reduced the discount given is appalling. What normal ethical business would increase charges to customers by 111% and then try to justify it with manipulation of "discounts". They would not stay in business.
Despite the long and significant history of the three airfields as AIRFIELDS, BAL is clearly not interested in the GA aviation side. Bankstown is a business park and Hoxton and probably Camden are future sales to land developers. No doubt an attractive offering on this basis to any new owners. I would be very concerned if I had an aviation business at any of them.
What is happening in this country? Who decided that everything must now be justified only on the basis of "economics" and all human endeavours, aspirations and dealings can and should be measured by monetary cost? Who decreed that Australia is now no longer a human society but an "economy". Please no partisan politics. It goes much deeper than that.
I have been forced to vote with my feet and make other arrangements for the time being, but will not be going quietly. If enough refuse to accept this outrageous gouging perhaps BAL will have to reconsider. I hope the "fair" in "Fair Trading" means what it should mean.
To quote from Fair Trading's website on advice to business ...
You cannot "take unfair advantage of vulnerable customers, which is also known as unconscionable conduct. This may occur where customers have no alternative than to do business with you (for example, you may be the only shop in a country town) or where you have a product or service that is in high demand, and you abuse your bargaining power. A common example of this is where customers are pressured to sign a contract that they can't understand and which includes unfair conditions."
In my view BAL are engaging in "unconscionable conduct" since as the operator of the only three licenced GA airfields in the Sydney basin they are a monopoly. To say they are taking advantage of vulnerable customers is an understatement. Their claim that they have not increased charges by 111% but merely reduced the discount given is appalling. What normal ethical business would increase charges to customers by 111% and then try to justify it with manipulation of "discounts". They would not stay in business.
Despite the long and significant history of the three airfields as AIRFIELDS, BAL is clearly not interested in the GA aviation side. Bankstown is a business park and Hoxton and probably Camden are future sales to land developers. No doubt an attractive offering on this basis to any new owners. I would be very concerned if I had an aviation business at any of them.
What is happening in this country? Who decided that everything must now be justified only on the basis of "economics" and all human endeavours, aspirations and dealings can and should be measured by monetary cost? Who decreed that Australia is now no longer a human society but an "economy". Please no partisan politics. It goes much deeper than that.
I have been forced to vote with my feet and make other arrangements for the time being, but will not be going quietly. If enough refuse to accept this outrageous gouging perhaps BAL will have to reconsider. I hope the "fair" in "Fair Trading" means what it should mean.
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Ring the AOPA office and ask for John Lyon.
He will help, if you are a member. If not then consider joining.
We went through this in Canberra a few years ago, and lost. But that doesn NOT mean you have to lose this time.
God luck.
Andrew
Ring the AOPA office and ask for John Lyon.
He will help, if you are a member. If not then consider joining.
We went through this in Canberra a few years ago, and lost. But that doesn NOT mean you have to lose this time.
God luck.
Andrew
Snerk. No one has ever won over landing and airport charges or en route charges. The industry is too fragmented to stand collectively or to even have a cogherant collective body to speak on it's behalf.
And if you do stand out from the crowd in arguements with airport authorities, ASA or CASA, your own industry "colleagues" who stand to gain from your efforts, are the first to try to pull you down. Tall poppy syndrome!
Two choices: buy a bottle of Vaseline or move to another airport.
P.S. Good luck anyhow. I hope you do get some satisfaction!
And if you do stand out from the crowd in arguements with airport authorities, ASA or CASA, your own industry "colleagues" who stand to gain from your efforts, are the first to try to pull you down. Tall poppy syndrome!
Two choices: buy a bottle of Vaseline or move to another airport.
P.S. Good luck anyhow. I hope you do get some satisfaction!
